New Kyma "supercomputer"

[braincell]

Symbolic Sound Corporation was founded in 1989. Creamware started in 1996. Clavia in 1983.

Now it is 1/14/09. Look at this:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail Your Price:$189.99

Crucial Ballistix Tracer 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $68.99

Sonic Core, Clavia and Symbolic Sound are all doomed unless they face the fact that we don't need hardware anymore.

[garyb]

the prophet.

[Shroomz~>]

Braincell, if musicians, producers & studios didn't need hardware anymore & there was no market left for dedicated hardware, there wouldn't be any companies making dedicated hardware. If you take a look at the hardware market, the opposite from what you're suggesting is actually the case. Yes, there might be some small companies going bust, but there's certainly far from a lack of companies producing hardware. On the contrary, many companies who started out solely making music based software for the PC &/or mac have actually moved into building hardware because they know fine well that the hardware market is alive and kicking & very very far from being on the way out.

[Warp69]

Sonic Core, Clavia and Symbolic Sound are all doomed unless they face the fact that we don't need hardware anymore.

Do you mean DSP based HW (Eventide, Bricasti, Kyma, UAD, PowerCore, Xite, Duende etc) or analogue HW (Comps, EQs etc)?

[dawman]

Warp69..........He's pissed because he has spent thousands of dollars and isn't sure why it still sounds like shit.
But it's hunderds of GB's in size...........thanks for your cash, enjoy the jpeg and the 12 extra layers you'll never hear..........ankyu.................NEXT.

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Symbolic Sound Corporation was founded in 1989. Creamware started in 1996. Clavia in 1983.
Now it is 1/14/09. Look at this:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail Your Price:$189.99
Crucial Ballistix Tracer 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $68.99
Sonic Core, Clavia and Symbolic Sound are all doomed unless they face the fact that we don't need hardware anymore.

This is worth putting on a T-Shirt and bumper sticker.......


I had to copy that as proof that Humans On Drugs have poor judgement.......no congressional scientific study was even necessary....

[Shroomz~>]

This is worth putting on a T-Shirt and bumper sticker.......

Such a T-shirt would make you mighty popular @ Namm!!

[dawman]

The hundreds of hardware manufacturers must hear this prophecy from NostraDumbAss...
The End Draws Near...

[Tau]

I see it differently, braincell:

Symbolic Sound Corporation was founded in 1989. Creamware started in 1996. Clavia in 1983.

And they're still releasing new products in 2009. Not one of these is going bust (OK, CW did, but it's coming back strong as S|C). And so, they must be doing something well. Companies that are 20+ years old still going strong on their own feet in the ever-changing world of music technology. Wow.

On the other hand, even though computer hardware is more powerful than ever, you'll agree that more and more of that power goes to the OS, and to software applications that are a lot more demanding, sometimes just because of unnecessary functions and overworked graphics, etc, etc. You don't really get the full benefits of the hardware development.

Not to mention the nerve some software companies have to release new versions of their applications with obvious programming errors, failing to admit to those, and blaming their users while hastily compiling patches upon patches of bug-corrections...

[Shroomz~>]

JV, you just need to turn up in a shirt that says 'Music Is Dead. Long Live Microsoft'. That'll get you noticed.

For added attention you could put 'I Love Obama' on the back.

[Neutron]

I wonder if i can buy one of those old capybarras for as much as a pulsar 2 now..i would go for that.

btw braincell dont get those tracer ballistix. the flashing lights are quite annoying and distract you from the proper musical blinkey lights on the real hardware.

[next to nothing]

Symbolic Sound Corporation was founded in 1989. Creamware started in 1996. Clavia in 1983.

Now it is 1/14/09. Look at this:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail Your Price:$189.99

Crucial Ballistix Tracer 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $68.99

Sonic Core, Clavia and Symbolic Sound are all doomed unless they face the fact that we don't need hardware anymore.

I don't know who you are trying to convince, because the point you are making is that YOU don't need hardware anymore. Oh i just realized.

I wonder when its going to sink in that it's not EITHER all native OR all DSP. If i am not mistaken atleast 99% of this forums users are using the best of both worlds. A big majority here prefer the likes of Kontakt or Battery over the STS series, that doesn't mean they have to go all apeshit and burn their Pulsars (as you are living proof of). I don't know why you keep your cards (and i most certainly don't care), as you have no idea (obviously) as to why i'm in the middle of buying 6 more DSPs for the price of a Q6600.

So please, spare me your frustrations and go hunt babes in your "second life" until you get rid of your frustrations and have something meaningful to come up with. Or preferably, make some more good music such a the orchestral bit you posted some time ago. I liked that a lot.

[braincell]

I think you misunderstood me. The point is that the SFP could easily run without the cards now if they wanted it to. Not doing this is a mistake because the hardware is a huge expense not just for me but for many people which is so very clearly evident by the dismal and pathetic sales history. A year after buying my first Pulsar, I went back to the store to talk to the salesman who recommended it to me. He had many years experience selling all kinds of gear of every brand and price. He told me that Creamware wasn't selling because customers found it too expensive. A few years after that, the store dropped all Creamware products because as I was told they had a bad relationship with the distributor.

I see no reason why you insist on publicly insulting me and attacking me as I have said nothing negative about you. I was the single person in this entire forum who predicted the downfall of Creamware and everyone jumped on me for being negative. As it turns out, I was right and each and every one of you were wrong. Then there was the famous statement that bankruptcy is different in Germany so the Creamware bankruptcy doesn't mean anything and they would recover soon. That was a lie.

Stop showing your immaturity by attacking me. If you want to have a debate that is fine but do it like man without resorting to juvenile insults. I have never ever said that I don't like my Creamware and Sonic Core modules. When the hell did I say that? Stop telling me to get rid of it.

[Neutron]

DSP is not the same as general purpose CPU that has to do other things.
even if you make it stand alone you will get nightmare such as "receptor"
im waiting to see the intel q9450 of Bricasti Design Model 7

Digital Signal Processor = processor designed for signals.

[braincell]

Then how is it possible that Flexor will be stand alone?

I recall the Nord 2 had a software version for demo purposes and it sounded identical.

Not long ago someone posted in this forum that it would be impossible for SC to issue a patch for the Cubase bug because they would have to rewrite the entire platform. Not long after that a patch was issued!

[Fluxpod]

I think you misunderstood me. The point is that the SFP could easily run without the cards now if they wanted it to. Not doing this is a mistake because the hardware is a huge expense not just for me but for many people which is so very clearly evident by the dismal and pathetic sales history. A year after buying my first Pulsar, I went back to the store to talk to the salesman who recommended it to me. he had so much experience with all kinds of gear of every kind and price. He told me that Creamware wasn't selling because customers found it too expensive. A few years after that, the store dropped all Creamware products because as I was told they had a bad relationship with the distributor.

I see no reason why you insist on publicly insulting me and attacking me as I have said nothing negative about you. I was the single person in this entire forum who predicted the downfall of Creamware and everyone jumped on me for being negative. As it turns out, I was right and each and every one of you were wrong. Then there was the famous statement that bankruptcy is different in Germany so the Creamware bankruptcy doesn't mean anything and they would recover soon. That was a lie.

Stop showing your immaturity by attacking me. If you want to have a debate that is fine but do it like man without resorting to juvenile insults. I have never ever said that I don't like my Creamware and Sonic Core modules. When the hell did I say that? Stop telling me to get rid of it.

You know what dude....your agenda or whatever you are trying in your delusional posts is incredible laughable.I already have you on ignore but i just feel the need to tell you that you should PLEASE sell your scope cards, if you even have any and move on to the horizon of something you can slag against the urinal of your thinking apperatus.
I have yet to read a worthwile or thoughtout post of you on the subjekt of scope where you arent going into some bizzaro world..Seriously it is getting nowhere.

No facts...just gibberish wääh wääh my cpu is so cheap so why cant company x make a product for my broke ass.
You are welcome to rip on the immaturity in my reply.

On topic...The new Kyma system already has a waitline till late feb.So much for bla bla not selling bla bla wtf bla.....

[Neutron]

If you are going to use all you cpu power for plug-ins, (dlls mind you) then you used your CPU for plugins which will sometimes reach a limit and sometimes not depending if the OS fells happy that second or not. not to mention the actual plugins themselves which have been "optimised"

then you have no CPU left for working so you need another computer,

why not, for the price of a good computer, get one of them designed for signal processing? the amount of use is accurately known and there will be no hiccups or other problems.

[braincell]

I'm sure what you are saying has truth to it and it made a lot of sense in the past but at some point, the computer will be able to do everything you need it to do without the aid of DSP power and I think that point is now. What happens when the computer comes with 16 CPUs? Will you still say that DSP chips are needed? How powerful does a computer have to be in order for it to be a useful signal processor? My experience and I think this has to do with the particular ASUS motherboard, is that my Scope Cards don't do well below the 30 ms latency. Before that I always had problems on other computers and with earlier Creamware cards. At least now it is stable at 30 ms. I think I should just leave them in that computer. I don't want to take any more chances with them.

[Tau]

Back on the Kyma Paca(rana) topic, it needs to have an additional converter to get the sounds and MIDI in and out. No chance to route audio internally through the computer, one has to plug a firewire / USB converter to the unit's ports. I understand this decision, but that's an extra cost, and an extra box to carry around... Getting more than a couple of good quality I/Os won't come cheap either...

[dawman]

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Check out the " Tau Editor. "

[petal]

Did you guys check out the sound examples?

http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bi ... SoundClips

Lots of crazy suff there