begining into Disco

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 12:14 pm

This is just a begining into Disco music. I don't know if it's trance, of Disco, or whatever, this is something you have to tell me cos I don't know the difference. I've never being into this kind of music before.

The whole thing is about 25 minutes, I have spleat just a couple of minutes here and in the second part, but there is many other variations going on, this is just for you to hear what is all about.

Anyway, even if I try hard to be "Disco" I guess there is a lot of fusion into it, due to the fact that this is my background. Thanks for your help

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 12:40 pm

I might not be the one that should be giving you comparisons with trance music but here's what I thought. First of, it sounds kind of old, concerning trance/techno trends.. probably because the impression in your mind is the impression that you got during the days when techno was just coming out, which was when it was the biggest. This is the same case with me.. I try to research current material, but it seems I can't get over the impression I got back then.

The synths sounds are probably right, just the phrases are what pushes the nostalgic button I think. And even tho I really like the chord progression in the tune, I don't think it's appropriate for this specific style of music. It's more conventional to use minor scales with a rather classical approach, but using arpegiaos all over the place. Many of these tunes have chords that last 2 or even 4 bars, which make them very ideal for intricate pad arrangements. But ya know, it isn't my main style so these are just my observations.

And finally... you probably shouldn't have a melody in there.. Err, I've yet to come accross a dance tune that has such a vivid melody. Most of the time, the melody, or the main focus of the tune would be the filter movement or the morphing of sounds, hence the great lean towards knob tweaking in real time.

Oh well, it is your first try, and I'm not very good at this myself so I guess this is all I can say. Musically, your tune is very correct. It's just new, and you have to break yourself in. The team of techno/trance people will update you on the rest.

It's always great to take a bite of a different style.

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paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 12:53 pm

This is quite good and like Ken mentioned , yes it is nostalgic.
You have that Earth, Wind and Fire thing goin' on, ma man! Funny that you're getting into this style when I'm working on creating 45 techno tunes for a TV contract...
I'll post a sample now

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 1:43 pm

This is a reply to your post in paulmartin's thread.. thought it might fit better here

Your music won't earn you a penny?? You can't be serious! Tunes of your quality would sell, and should sell.. in fact, I'm surprised you're not working as a composer already. (I thought you were) True, fusion doesn't have such a big market, and you might have to make some conversions.. Trance could be too far a distance and most of fusion related skills might not transfer very well.. Maybe you might want to try house? I think you can almost go directly to house. And your bass skills would certainly tranfer very well to breakbeats. Anyway, just some suggestions.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 5:24 pm

Ok you don't like trance?

Try this: compose a song that sounds like Tangerine Dream then put a big booming four-on-the-floor drum pattern underneath.

VOILÀ! Trance!

Post by **hubird** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 9:07 pm

see my comment with the related post referring at your's in the subject.

LTBM!

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 5:56 am

You're absolutely right Ken, it sounds old… It's funny, cos if you didn't tell me so, I wound's have realised it by myself! It really sounds like the beginning of Disco.

Yea, the chord progression is far too jazzy here, it's not very Disco you could say! But this is way even being Disco music, or similar, I like and enjoy it. Without these changes and harmony, I would be very bored.

I'm completely new to “knob tweaking”, there I have to pay attention to what you do and say, cos you use it quite a lot and nicely. I recognise I'm very interested in learning and enjoying this, I like the effects and sensations you can get out of it.

Please, don't forget to hear the “second part”. It's the same tune, it's another bit of the same one, the continuation.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:00 am

So it's nostalgic, it's true. Again, if you didn't help me to see so, I wouldn't have by myself. Thanks Paul.

The question I guess, most of all, is: “would you dance with it?” I think perhaps this, is the real question.

I realised I don't like “pure and real” techno music, it's too void too my taste. I need some harmony and some melody going on. It can try to do something else, but this is what I feel inclined too.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:05 am

Ken, I'm actually working as a composer, but it's very seldom and no way I earn a living through what I'm doing. I'm just doing some little pieces of music for some web sites, eventually a jingle. (I hate jingles) Today I have to meet my boss to talk about a Video contract, will see. It's probably the place I'm living in as well. There is not much to be done, the economy is quite frozen.

Thanks very much Ken, I'll be searching for some impressions on House Music, to see what I feel, and what is in there. I appreciate your help.

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:43 am

Nestor,

You're clearly a talented musician. This is technicaly a 'perfect' song, but it won't sell. It's too much of everything without a defined style or direction.

This would be great for demo tunes, however. Did you do it on Pulsar completely? Send it to CW, they could use it as demo tune for example. It shows a lot of the possibilities of the platform, sounds great. I hear a neighbour of mine makes demo tunes for various machines, he makes a living with it.

If you'd wanna do commercial releases, you could see what's hot and what's not and try to copy that. I guess that's how most of current pop music is done

As you have good musical knowledge, you could add some extra's, slight personal touches which could make it outstanding.
It would be hard to start looking especially, but I'm sure there's tunes on the MTV or so that you like. If it's on MTV, it sells

Try making what you like, so you don't get bored. The more you enjoy it, the better it'll be and the more you'll put in. Everyone has commercial artists he likes. Try to be true to yourself still. There's plenty of people selling good quality music they like, without trying too much to make commercial records. I'm sure you can do that.

Good luck,

at0m.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 9:48 am

Thanks atOm, very nice of you! Well, yes, of course I like many commercial music and MTV staff. It's not the very core of my interest, but I really enjoy many songs for sure!

Well, let me tell you how everything began. I was at a friend home, and she likes techno music very much. She said: “You know? You could do some tracks of Techno Music to help yourself here. There is very little people into this kind of music in Chile. There are just a few at Santiago, but that's all. Do some staff we, Techno People are waiting for something that could have our own identity, cos there is nothing but foreign techno music. We would like something to identify with”.

This is what she said, and so I thought: “Well, why not? I'm going to go into the trial to see what I'm able to do. There I realised what Paul Martin said once, that whatever you do, if you try to do it well it's difficult and demands and deserves lots of hard work”.

It's a very nice experience to be criticised by you all, I'm learning FAST what I would, otherwise, never learn or would take a year to realise by myself. Thanks sincerely for your post.

borg · Post by **borg** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 12:07 pm

well, i'd like to pick in with atomic: listen to the 'general rules' of the style and adopt it to your own needs and possibilities. a guy with your musical knowledge should easily be able to pick out the most used patterns and change them into something with more musical value

you said in your latest reply you wanted to make something which has something of your home country, your roots, in it... well, you can always use samples of your own ethnical music and let them flow through this 'trance' tracks. it has been done before with GREAT success. i know of latin house, ethnic/tribal techno... YOU might be the inventor of the chili sound: the NestoTechno.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 12:23 pm

Good Idea Borg! So adding samples of native quality could do something interesting yes. Absolutely! Never though about that, there are lots of folklore samples about Inca music that could be used that way. Thanks.

Post by **hubird** » Sat Apr 13, 2002 1:55 am

On 2002-04-12 13:23, Nestor wrote:
Good Idea Borg! So adding samples of native quality could do something interesting yes. Absolutely! Never though about that, there are lots of folklore samples about Inca music that could be used that way. Thanks.

Can be very nice.
In my music post with 'Ulanbator' in the subject there are Tibetanian monks in it!
And I even don't live in Tibet