God is not great: How religion poisons everthing

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Neil B wrote:Braingo the Clown wrote:
"Yo, murder advocate, don't you find it a bit ironic that moses brought us also the ten commandments, not to mention the first commandment: "Yo shall not kill"?
Are you enjoying being a hypocrite?"

That is the 6th commandment not the first - WRONG AGAIN
The small mistake still doesn't change the fact that gary advocates murder.
It also proves, again, my point that you disrespect and bully anyone who disagrees with your belief. That's another proof that you are an hypocrite.
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I bully no one.
I stand up for my rights and beliefs as you do - we simply differ by light years

Consider the correction to be a correction. I couldn't bear the thought of you mis-quoting the Bible and misleading people (you wouldn't try to do that would you?) :lol:
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Neil B wrote:I bully no one.
I stand up for my rights and beliefs as you do - we simply differ by light years

Consider the correction to be a correction. I couldn't bear the thought of you mis-quoting the Bible and misleading people (you wouldn't try to do that would you?) :lol:
There is a difference between standing up for your rights and being an asshole.
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I say this semi-flippantly so's not to upset Gary B (although I'm sure I won't)

Have you considered that Moses didn't receive the commandments until after he'd killed? :D

Anyway, I've got my ears back so I'm out of here
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Neil B wrote: Have you considered that Moses didn't receive the commandments until after he'd killed? :D
I have.
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Braingo the Clown said:
There is a difference between standing up for your rights and being an *******.

Would you mind if I borrowed the mirror off you please when you've finished with it?
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I read what you wrote but I have not seen the words god and the "evidence is".
But I've read words like, ego, intellectual exercise, atheists cretins, loosers, presumptuous superiority of atheism, manners (which you don't have them), words that have nothing to do with god's existence.

Now cut the crap and tell me plain and simple where is the evidence of god.
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I neverer bullshited about physics.
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I want to add my personal view and in advance I ask sorry for the wacko Greko words.

I am an atheist since my childhood. From my point of view there is a relation between religious people and acceptance of the current authority. People critic to religion is a way to critic their actual authority and so to be able to think, imagine and act in a contrary way.
I can remember myself to say: "After the revolution everyone can believe to whatever he thinks of, but for now forgot your gods and just use your mind so to make a better world and bla bla…)

Materialism is a way to avoid get drown by nonsence. Of cource the freedom of the universe and the infinity can't fit in a material theory, but materialism never claimed anything like that. Atheism also is a way to see life. It doesn't accepts the duality (spirit-matter). Mainly it looks at things as a whole where the contradictions between the (total) powers actually set the world. The global underlay concept is called "material" and it includes common sence's "spirit" (hyper-simplified) and surely doesn't like to think of some unknown hyper-flying spirit-forms of existance… But it's easy to understand that the concept "material" is a metaphysical one.

Religion isn't simple what the people believe about the supernatural or whatever. In history, religion is a way (between it's other operations) for the community to set the prohibitions, to control the people's think and act in a certain way. (the good-bad thing). Most of the time "God" is an abstract symbol of the community will, and an allegory for the masses so to follow the rule of their master class.
The God as a being (who is somewhere) with some (or all) abilities is mainly a grandmothers story and every educated people should leave it. As the universe is infinite there is no first cause or any need for that. Of course "God" as a symbol of infinite (time) or as the Absolum suits fine. Remember that when you say "God is that" then you actually making God concept smaller (injuring it's truth) cause god concept can't have a finite accusal. The contradiction between finite and infinite is well studied through the years and atheism is really aware of all these things.

I see a lot of anorthologism these days. The critic of the modern philosophy on reason, that viewed reason as an authority tool that slaves than liberates the human, took with it the emancipate role of reason. Reason SURELY unviels the essence (oysia) of objects, it's really strange that that simple thing doesn't get the attention it deserves. For an example that thing inside me -the red one- is crucial for the kind of life like me and if a lot of it get's out, I will definatelly die. Plato's, a long time ago, had given scepticism an answer and eventually the universe can't hide from the eternal trial and error ;-)
If we say that Logos doesn’t exist then we are left with empiricism, mystical knowledge, faith, anorthologism.

Please answer me on that:
How can "we" have factories that create bread and at the same time thousands (millions) of people are starving to death? Only reason make us think of these things, only reason makes us able to fight against the jungle law and neccesity. Only reason enables us to live in "gignesthai" – in the contradiction between freedom and neccesity, Chaos and Order…

Of cource in the paranoia world of free-market (in where the only free thing is the market) there is certainly no need for reason. How to explain in a reasonably way that all the sensitivity of life including, people, nature and culture are on the hands of a chaotic process? The common god (or dog if you have read Harlan Elisson's "I have no mouth and I must scream") suits fine for those that are well-favored in these circumstances. Eventually: He Had Taken Care of them! Don't ask more! Thank him.com (that personal relation with him is the least religious way. A personal psycho-interlocutor! God downgrated to a service self-reference for guilt manipulation!)

The most dissapointing thing is that the people's critic to the "speculator" (the authority's man wooden language) ended with people who don't believe in reason, and never tried to create a mind. The critic to the spectacle world (the world where humans are treated like a machine accesory and all crucial things are manipulated by others for him, plus the psychological control that works through language (constant self-control that destroys instict AND reason) - so for his eyes the world turns like a spectacle) is turned to a Ratio critic! Astonishing! Which leads to the exact opposite of the free people and the citizens of a democracy (so to be able to control authority. Without mind –and critical thinking authority surely rules).
Everyone who had read Periklis funeral for the first Atheneans dead of the pelloponisian war (the old story from Thoukididis) laughs with the stuff the modern "democracies" and their "philosophical" think-tanks claims.

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BingoTheClowno wrote:I neverer bullshited about physics.
OK Mr I-Hate-Everybody Weirdo Clown

Don't call me a liar about this, anyone can read the posts and see exactly what was claimed.

You requested for information on the big bang, since you were accused of not knowing a damn thing about it, and you wanted proof. He posted some basic info on the big bang theory (a second time, by the way) and then you started whining that it didn't prove god's existence. Apparently, it should have (?)

I wonder if you're really serious here, or just pulling people's legs. Are you really that stupid? How could you be? Is this just a pyschology experiment you're collecting data on ("I subjected people to abuse and this is what they said back")? Have you been solidly drunk the last month? What could explain this bizarre behaviour? The reason no one is getting angry at you here, is that after a while, you just come across as PATHETIC.
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You better check my post before you attempt to make a fool of yourself.
This is what I asked startdust for:

"I'm really interested to know what you think I was wrong about Big Bang."

not information on BigBang from a yo-yo like stardust.

What do you think you come across? Cool and super-intelligent? Modest?
:lol:

If you read the whole the posts before that you would have realised that startdusts' post was a retort to my statement about god non-existence in which he claimed I was wrong because the BigBang did not "create" the Universe it "expande it".
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BingoTheClowno wrote:You better check my post before you attempt to make a fool of yourself.
This is what I asked startdust for:

"I'm really interested to know what you think I was wrong about Big Bang."

not information on BigBang from a yo-yo like stardust.
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Whatever :lol:
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yes, bingo, i think that there are times that killing is appropriate. self defense is one. protecting the weak and innocent is another. this killing is not murder. murder is an emotionally charged word which indicates an unlawful, unfair killing. if you were being tortured by a psychopath and were on the verge of losing your life from the beating you were taking from a man who had made you his slave and i jumped in just in time and saved your life by killing him after struggling with him, would you turn me in for murder?

the ten commandment rhetoric is bullshit in that case.

thanks Neil for proving my point that most people who tralk about the bible have never studied it and have no clue what's really in it, but are just parroting what someone else said about it, by pointing out that bingo doesn't know which commandment he's talking about, although he quotes it.

and bingo, stop whining like a little girl about being mistreated. you're getting no worse treatment than you give. be a man. emotional argumentation is for women. so far you've shown no understanding of the bible, physics or how atheism as a movement(not someone's individual opinion) get's funded. basically everything you speak about is ignorance. this is not an insult but the truth. you are just repeating things like a parrot.
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Thank you for confirming that you are a murder advocate.
And, yes I would turn you in for murder.
BTW, why you need to hide the body in the sand if you're defending yourself :lol:
Am I the only one who sees how ridiculous and deluded you are?
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Killing someone in self defense is selfish. You are saying that your life is more valuable than the other person's life is. You also are apt to make am irreversible mistake or accident.

The Department of Self defense is misnamed. it ought to be called the Department of Murder and Destruction. As far as I know we are at peace with Canada and Mexico so I don't see why we need all this military we have. They should be doing something constructive not destructive.
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The few extra additional insights spread from new contributors are sparse in comparison to the continued posturings of those who have decided to not communicate.

JC is a very lenient fellow, on any other forum this thread would be closed by now.
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By JC I assume you refer to Jesus Christ. We have an old saying "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".
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braincell wrote:Killing someone in self defense is selfish. You are saying that your life is more valuable than the other person's life is. You also are apt to make am irreversible mistake or accident.
sorry valis, but this is just stupid.

no, braincell, i'm not going to be generous and give up my life so that a malfunctioning human can do what he wants at my expense. i'm not looking to hurt or kill him, but i'm not just going to lay down and die for his convienience either. :lol:

wow, they really castrated and lobotomized you, didn't they?
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I'm sure you would, even if you could run out the back door. That's not would Jesus would do or teaches. I guess he was a failure.
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