Reaper Continues

[kylie]

btw, if you think you're not commercial enough for reaper, you have the choice to start with the private edition and upgrade to commercial later on, when your income meets the software price,

No, this would make me a "literal a-hole" according to astroboy.

um, don't know what he wanted to tell us here... *scratch*

I don't think Steinberg necessarily needs direction from customers. They have a focus which is their sequencer and it is very mature.

there can't be a future for any software manufacturer without listening to their customers. well, that's what I believe. some do better here, some don't. nobody is safe just because they are big enough...

The SFP stalled. I hope it will be developed more. If it isn't, it should be made open source. SC seems to care more about hardware now.

well, they can't survive by developing software only. especially if nobody wanted to pay the upgrade fee for 4.5/5.0...
in that case I'm afraid there is no software development without hardware development.
steinberg offers hardware in addition to cubase, while sfp is useless without the hardware. that's why there won't be anything new without new cards (or expanders).

my 2c.

-greetings, markus-

[dawman]

Here's a rather humorous one.
I have posted there twice in 2 years.
I love learning about what doesn't work over there.
Makes me appreciate our peaceful forum.

[braincell]

The reason I didn't buy the 4.5 upgrade is that most of the new modules I had previously bought. I don't feel bad at all about that. Give me something new to buy not stuff I already bought or else it should be discounted for me.

[astroman]

Ya thank god that here we dont have posers and gear sluts...

no need to pose to be a gear slut
recently my bass accepts only the finest German vintage broadcast modules...
my personal discovery of 2008, about to ruin me in 09
and as Jimmy would call it - it punished them modern fabrique sh*t really hard.
if the preamp slot of the XITE would provide a home for such a module it would simply be acoustiv heaven. Admittedley the stuff is precious, rare and has to be hunted down on hostile eBay...
ah, rubbish - sorry dreaming with open ears

cheers, Tom

[darkrezin]

Old Telefunken/Siemens modules?

[Shroomz~>]

Maybe Tom isn't giving away the details because he wants to keep his discovery to himself for some reason. Maybe he scans ebay every day in the hope to find another & wants to keep the secret until he has a room full of said vintage circuits.. Just a guess..

[astroman]

well, the Siemens - Telefunken et al gear isn't really a secret anymore.
You can peek them on almost any studio pic in almost any mag.

The point is... that stuff was a hell of expensive when brand-new, and it would be if one tried to build it today with identical specs. An Amp stage for an average month salary, roughly.
Tube stages are 1-1.5k, transistor pres/cmpressor/eqs in the 500 Euro range, some more - some less. The stuff is somewhat problematic with (typical high) input impedance of most current gear, 20-50kOhm, while those stages usually have just 50 to 500 Ohm outputs, making the result overbrittle - so there's no such thing as an instant gratification by smooth vintage flair

I've read about it in mags a couple of years ago, ok, ok, an amp isn't rocket science, so what... (me thought)
hearing it yourself is quite a different kind of experience, tho
whatever they put in that neat little metal box... I don't mind it's specs, SNR, frequency response and all that nonsense invented by marketeers - this sound is 'living stereo' according to a famous record series.
You may have guessed it already... some Scope FX can complete it in a great way, like a Tape Echo Sim or a Delay or a smooth Chorus/Reverb... but there is nothing (and I really mean nothing) that can inprove it on the input side.
Tube Sims, Eqs and even compression seemed misplaced and only intended to spoil the fine tone.
In the end switching back to the pure signal sounded most pleasing (focussing on bass).
Works great on guitar, too - solid fundament for distortion... in that case plugins aren't so bad as with the bass

cheers, Tom
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[nightscope]

So does anyone know if Reaper now has basic audio editing - that thing's got the world's thickest manual and i haven't found it yet?

It does, but, as you say, has no dedicated pop up singing and dancing editor. You have to do it all in an expanded track view.

I have been using the Reapoid for some time now and have recently switched to Samplitude. Reaper's main strength is for audio, not audio editing IMHO, and it dovetails extremely well with the Scope environment and is VERY stable. It's weaknesses are no audio editor, no score editor, no a lot of things, and it looks like a bag of spanners even with the 3rd party skins. Hunting for functions can, at times, be like finding a particular spanner in a very, very large bag of spanners with a blindfold on. Tho this looks like it will change for the better with Reaper v3, which is just round the corner. I got the download version of Samplitude 10.1 which worked out at about 250 Englizee quids. It is limited to 64 tracks with 8 submix & 6 auxs. But I really struggle to get track counts up to even 50 these days so I had no need to get the expensive infinite tracks version. Also, I am awash with busses and auxs in Scope so it has proved a very good solution FOR ME. FOR ME Samplitude totally eats Reaper in the ergonomic stakes. It's project management system is stellar and I get things done a whole lot faster than I used to with many more smiles all round. It has comprehensive MCU and other customisable controller functionality, which Reaper has not. Also built in channel EQ, the Samplitude EQ/FX are very nice. Automation is quite excellent. At a pinch I could get away with using only Samplitude's FX if I had no Scope FX or UAD. Reaper is a GREAT stable virtual tape machine for Scope but lacked too many essential project management features that I required right now. Reaper's MIDI isn't that bad, actually, but those used to Cubase's will not be that impressed. All horses for courses. Folks' personal workflows and projects vary so much.

ns

[nightscope]

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[kylie]

Here's a rather humorous one.

since when are synchrosoft dongles red? I have only blue ones...

[dawman]

I thought it was funny as guys love to piss off the forum moderators over there.
I had to save the jpeg. before it became deleted.
They spend more time deleting and banning memebrs than fixing bugs in their app.

Within 2 months I will be dongle free. Sadly I will loose GVI, but thanks to K2 & ESC I can convert to Kontackt Player 2.0 and move on.
I am glad Giga bit the dust. There are just so many great developers for K2/3 now, and it is a live players blessing as much as Giga was. But developers move the platform IMHO.

My blue dongle is held together by Duct tape now and holds several eLicenses. This is a constant reminder of how fragile my rig is, and how lucky I have been over the years w/ no crashes. Reaper, Kontackt Player 2, and SFP will be my choices live very soon.

It's a brave new world, free of those 14cent dongles.

[Mr Arkadin]

It's a brave new world, free of those 14cent dongles.

Yeah, i'm moving from the dongle idea. i currently own no dongle software apart from my old VST 5.1 (printer port dongle lol), hence my attempts at Reaper - which is not proving intuitive (i have yet to be able to play anything via MIDI). i have Ivory which has switched copy protection from serial to iLok on the latest update (thanks for the consultation on that move Synthogy), so that's one that won't be updated - i'll use it till it's unusable. Should be a while yet i hope.

My only other VSTi are BFD2 (C/R), Oddity, impOSCar, VSM and M-Tron Pro (all serial). Everything else is on my Scope card (the biggest dongle?).

i hope i can learn to love Reaper - maybe best to wait till version 3. i like Samplitude but i really want cross-platform software as i may switch at any time, and Samp is only ever PC for some reason.

[braincell]

since when are synchrosoft dongles red? I have only blue ones...

The ancient printer port dongles were red. I have Cubase and Vienna Symphony Library on the same dongle. That is an advantage of Syncrosoft.

[braincell]

I sure as hell would not want them to decide!

[Shroomz~>]

I sure as hell would not want them to decide!

If I were you, I'd think that too.

[braincell]

They would never allow anyone to write anything on their site because they don't want to hear. The only time they come here is to pitch some new product and poof they are gone.

[Shroomz~>]

They would never allow anyone to write anything on their site because they don't want to hear. The only time they come here is to pitch some new product and poof they are gone.

Wrong answer. Game over... no bonus points awarded. You did not score enough points to get on the High Score board. Please click the 'I'm not the sharpest tool in the box' button to Play Again.

[braincell]

I'm sorry, I could not read that last post because I have a special filter which prevents me from reading anything which comes from a complete idiot.

[alfonso]

They would never allow anyone to write anything on their site because they don't want to hear. The only time they come here is to pitch some new product and poof they are gone.

I think this is unfair. Both CW and now SC list this site as the official site for Scope users, they once had one, where they never banned anyone, but PZ was so good that they closed theirs. So their official forum is one that is not controlled by them, where you can freely talk and eventually rave even about UseAudio without the topic being closed. Try to rave about Logic in Cubase or Nuendo forums.
A second think which has to be said is that CW and SC never got a penny for a bug fix. Never. In fact you can install 4.0 and 4.5 for free being just a 3.1 user, you only don't get the bonus devices. The Cubase4 Asio fix has not been tied to the next 5.0 release but is free for anyone.
On the other hand, being a user of Cubase since the 3.65 pc old version, I can testify that Steinberg has never completed the bug fix for any product as it should be for correctness. You had some issues solved, even if advertised in the former version, only in the following payed upgrade. For example I have SX3 which still has some bugs (video managing and audio stretching related) which will never be fixed. That behavior pissed me off so much that i won't give Steinberg any more money from now on. If you claim to sell a professional product you have to to keep ironing all the bugs for it, you should ask money only for new features. I can understand you are not able to fix a bug, but fixing it only in the payed upgrade stinks.
On this field both CW and SC and, as it seems, UseAudio, seem to be on an other planet, frankly.

On the fact of listening to the users, sorry but just looking at the interest for Xite around here and the commercial success of the Plugiator (I see it in every shop in Rome) I think that these companies have good ears. Your needs are absolutely legitimate, but different from the majority here which seems satisfied of the new product lines. Personally I think that Xite-1 is the ideal form Scope should have, at least for the non-hobbist.
My 0.02 €