LBH VIII (New Video Presentation)

[Mr Arkadin]

i for one would love to see some more drum stuff for Scope - seems odd this aspect has never really been exploited - lots of synths, very few drum boxes.

[Shroomz~>]

Nice teazer spacef.

[dawman]

Maybe people aren't interested in Drum Generators?............
These are SpaceF Drum Generators....that's the difference.

It's almost time for Black Box III.

Thanks For Hangin' With Us.

[Shroomz~>]

Maybe people aren't interested in Drum Generators?............

Sure they are !!

[spacef]

Funny it didn't start like a drum box project, it was simpler at the start (1 year ago) the drums came in naturally though.

check some news
for example, the drumbox part brings parts that need to be worked on to make it more flexible, presets, etc and this will take time.
It needs to grow quietly now....

see you in 1 or 2 month may be (or sooner in case of a miracle

thnaks for your patience and support !

[irrelevance]

Wow this project has evolved drastically since the last time I checked! Tightly synced drums in the scope environment is a dream that I'm sure many have had. I love the drum generators in scope but midi sequencing is the let down in this situation as I always suffer dropouts at high tempos. Get the lbh syncing with the modular and then we'll be cooking

[spacef]

Hi
You can already load Adern's Modular Insert S and it gives you a gate and a modulation to use in the patch: you can plug modulations to the gate (adsr, lfo...). Of course this works also for regular osc/filters (for regular osc, you get a pitch+a modulation). The limitation are those of the current modular Insert ( presets only in the patch and in the projects, but they are not saved with the Host itlsef (so you cannot make a LBH presets with your many modular patches for the moment, you can only save the project, or the patches individually).
The ability to feed LBH with synths/instruments and apply triggered Envelopes to them allow to come very close to true-midi-step sequencing (and doing it this way has a lot of advantages, as you can combine the synth's high polyphony/modulation on the whole note-on, while using triggered modulators on LBH, and gate all that together). A bass, a guitar, or screaming neighbours are good sound sources too.
About the timing, yes it can always be improved - especially midi - and that's why i don't use a single midi string in LBH .... in the same time, i would never been able to make the above videos in my previous computer (pentium 4): the change of presets takes longer and is noisier... the timing was much less reliable too (it was a p4 2.5 ghz cpu with only 1gb ram - this doesn't happen anymore with the new computer (dual 3.16+4gb ram).... So there is a relation to hardware qualities.
It is very big in the possibilities it gives for sequencing/gating many things in or out of LBH.
So,.. see you "soon" (ahem )
Mehdi

[dawman]

Wow.
I can hardly wait to see what your beast can do.
I have an idea it will be something I need, as I am getting so tired of acoustic drums, and the techno stuff for Scope I have.
Synths inside of LBH>>??
That really interests me.

Thanks For All Of Your Stuff, and BTW, I will be learning what you have already made us for at least another year.

[spacef]

I made some videos yesterday that I managed to post today.
http://www.spacef-devices.com/dacore/in ... &Itemid=97

It is a quick attempt to making a "song" , but it is good to familiarize with LBH VIII, and to make you wait a few more weeks too .
(LBH VIII is finally done but presets and quick manuals etc will have to be made.).

Have a look and get acquainted to some simple LBH VIII features.
The 2 last clips show the dsp load when loading and after activating options.

The thing about the delay (obliged because it sounds better and adapts to all tempo instead of preset tempo of inserts) and limiter: the yare really neat features and are here to complement is because of the ability to sequence "clips" ie presets with everything except the "instruction to load or unload an insert": ie: you can sequence even the changes in the oscillator/filters without the risk of loading new ones (otherwise it would crash often as i experimented). It means that you can create a preset with some oscillators and replace all or a few of them to create a new "kit": if the preset finds the same insert loaded in the same insert slot, it will map the parameters, otherwise it simply does nothing.
However, dramatic changes in some oscillators can take time to change between presets and cause a non wanted noise (especially when suddenly changing envelopes, like i do here on the kick drum).

There are a lot of features, but i must redo a lot of presets now, so these videos are for your entertainment.

So it is final eventhough this kind of device could be developped even more (but it has to be useable in scope right?).

Price not fixed yet but this version should be around 149 regular and 99 for BB2 users (and all spacef users havea 20% discount anyway). That could be special price though, it should be 198 sooner or later. It is not to be released before 1 to 3 weeks anyway, I must give time to something else for a few days.

I hope you like.

Mehdi

[bill3107]

Great videos Spacef ! I think Xite will give you the power you need to create and create and create ....ad libitum

[dawman]

Man Or Myth...............................Mehdi T.


I especially like the preset capabilities.
A demonstration of supreme MIDI knowledge.

I am curious though.
Have you calculated the ppq of the sequencer yet?
If it is pretty high, like around 384 or 490, it's safe to assume your device has all but replaced the MPC series made by Akai.
If this is as I suspect, LBH will be a seriously Sore Dick Deal.
I have been interested in the Akai's even when the ppq was 96 back in the 2000XL model.
Theri latest model looks to be awesome, and the VGA output to a 19" monitor is a big plus, but LBH seems to have the multiple outputs, intuitive GUI, etc.

Congradulations on an incedible leap forward.

[spacef]

Hey Jimmy,

Comparing to MPC is impossible !

LBH is more modest, and is to be played with a keyboard and not pads like an mpc. It is a different application and another good way to have fun
In LBH the timing is really very accurate eventhough there is a "range of tolerance" of 3/4 samples for when you play a note (the initial trigger of what LBH will play),
After that initial latency, the timing is constant.... The timing/looping is more accurate than on the Noah EX for example (you would also re-quantize the noah sequencers and contrary to LBHVIII, they do not support infinite looping (they drift away quickly - which is not the case now) .... This can be better or worse according to your computer power, i noticed a big difference when i upgraded mine (i just couldn't use it before, too big interface). It is more or less the same as what you hear on the videos. One can sample & slice more for sample-accurate quantize,and you could do it with an MPC !! you will see by yourself in a future demo device if it is good or bad for you...
next time i will show a song with no noise when looping back the preset sequencer cycle, it is possible and then you could also download a wave and analyze it.

In terms of I/Os:
- I added 2 aux inputs for the 2 delays (so i can sing or play guitar/bass in it - you have to mix outside LBH for level/gains etc),
- and 2 external modulation inputs (Mod A/B for live modulations when sequencing patterns especially),
- + 8 audio inputs to send sounds to be chopped and filtered.
- It has 1 mix L/R outputs,
- Individual outputs (pre-limiter") for all 3 busses (Dry / Delay 1 / Delay 2)
- 8 post-pan stereo individual outputs for each "track" of LBH (can be configured as 4 stereo outputs if you use lbh to gate 4 stereo audio tracks)
- 1 "p" input to open LBH from a SpaceF mixer.
- 1 midi in, 1 midi out.



http://www.spacef-devices.com/dacore/in ... &Itemid=97

[dawman]

I will use it and see what it can do, but in conjunction w/ an STS, and some form of an app for quantinizational purposes, I see no need for an MPC.
This is all from reading and listening to some demos from the guy in Linkin Park.
I won't know till I use it obviously.

Your Modesty Is Most Refreshing BTW, but I know you're a fierce bastard, so the MPC purchase from ebay will just have to wait now.

[dawman]

You are making it very comfortable for those upgrading to XITE-1 w/ the " p " linking capabilities.

Scope's GUI is fine but your devices were with the "p" connectiopns are just ingenius.
I just noticed this.
Now I am even more feverish for LBH VIII & XITE-1.

[spacef]

as the thread is back at the top, I can answer your question about ppq a bit more clearly (without suspicion of over-spamming )
PPQ is pulse per quarter notes, right ?
In LBH VIII it cannot be counted like that.
PPQ is relevant when one can quantize or move events (steps/note on/off) in such and such resolutions.

A: Note Starts
============
In LBH VIII, it is already quantized for the Note Start, as 32 fixed steps. So the PPQ for note start is 32 .
But you can divide the sequencer speed by 2 or 4 to reach 2*16 steps, or 4*8 steps resolution. But basically it is 32.
For 64 step, you use the preset sequencer and play 2 presets one after the other (64 step is not yet in LBH VIII because it is just as having 2 LBH VII, ie alsmost doubles the dsp use).
For 128 steps = 4 presets
For 256 steps = 8 presets
For 512 steps = 8 presets + 2 refill presets
For 1024= 8 presets + 4 refill presets
etc... etc... to infinity and beyond...

B: Note End
=========
The length of each note is freely determined by the user, with faders of (more than) 128 values resolution.
In general, you will use 100%, or 50% or 25% (of 1 step max length). Very short notes are also possible (1 to 5%). 0 length is same as velocity 0 or note off/mute...
So to make it simpler, let's say there are 20 common positions for the length (every 5% from 0 to 100%).
That's 20*32 = 640 possible length for the first step, 620 for the second step, 600 for the third... etc etc until the 32th step which has 20 possible length.
640/4 = 160.
The max length of a note, is in fact the end of the sequence/cycle (when sequencer is back to step 1).
T.EG is the only way to create a long note on the 32th step (ie, will play until end of release even after the sequencer loops back to step 1). Here the PPQ is the resolution of the EG.

I am now improving some things for the loop back of sequences/cycles in the preset sequencer, in a way that should improve how it sounds in all sequencers (becaue not all of them manage release of midi note off the same; for ex, reaper is less good than cubase: in the videos i made with reaper, you clearly hear a glitch when the 16 measure long note is restarted, and which is not caused by thyechanges in presets). It is less hearable in Cubase, and I am trying another method to make those slight differences between audio-midi sequencer hosts irrelevant when playing LBH VIII).
So basically, it should be said that the PPQ on LBH VIII is 32 for the start and 20 to 640 for the note end (depending on which step we talk about). But this changes if you use the T.EG for triggering, instead of the steps/gate normal triggers.
Something like that. But again, as there is no "quantize" in LBH VIII (it is already quantized) , I am not sure the concept of PPQ is truely applicable.

I hope it answers the question.

Have a nice day.

[dawman]

That's plenty of precision having 32 divisions.
I could always quantize outside in a hardware unit or SpuBase 4.0.
Since my skills are somewhat limited hopefully this will do all of my automated filterings.
I have many differnt LFO templates on presets and looping envelope presets already but I really need a kick but drum instrument where I can lock in my automations instead of using the smaller step sequencers I currently have.
I get great results using the hardware sequencer, but I knew sooner or later an elaborate sequencer would evolve.
The idea of looping presets and multiple presets is perfect.
I really look forward to chewing on this bone soon.

I would love to see a SpaceF project someday in person.

[nightscope]

bump

Frivolous bump, methinks!!

ns