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Right On Brotha' Man Fluxpod,
I wanted to hear that years ago when the company's name was BionicFX.
A bunch of grad students and some proffessor figured out that GPU's smoked CPU's for exactly those kind of tasks.
NVidia bought them out before it became ATI compatable if I remember right.

Thank You. :wink:
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stardust wrote:Unlucky me :) have ATI Radeon ;)
:o Heretic!!!! :D
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Fluxpod, You got this workin' yet?
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XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:Fluxpod, You got this workin' yet?
Nah i worked 12 hours today....i cba to do anything today except drinking beer and listening to music haha.
I try tomorrow. :D
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stardust wrote:
Fluxpod wrote:
stardust wrote:Unlucky me :) have ATI Radeon ;)
:o Heretic!!!! :D
:)
I used ati all the way tho.Stopped using it when my 9800 died and nvidia was just...cheaper.I still think the 2d imaging on ati is sharper tho.
My brother uses the 8800gtx and its a bit blurry.I got the 8800 gts and its way better on that card but not on ati level. :)
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Both are fine i think but with these new gpu applications and the snow leopard support for gpu"dsp" next year is tempting.
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I have time to try it out.
I'll keep you guys posted.
I gotta do a silly MIDI File for someone first.
GaryB talked me into the eVGA card w/ NVidia but it might not be powerful enough if it's the 8000 series that's needed.
But I used the ancient G450 in both stage DAW's for years, and still have a G450 in the 3 card P4 DAW. 6 years w/o a problem for 50 dollar card ain't bad.
I hope this sounds good. I am really speading out my resources lately to avoid the 64bit game.
Having the unused GPU on a video card doing some verbs would be cool, especially if the ERflec's are of a decent quality.
I have had great success using EFlec's from one verb and rooms/halls from another.

The CPU made verbs on my VSTi's and standalones, along w/ GigaPulse IR's are just awful.
GigaPulse is the best one but only for amp/mic models and a few ERflec's maybe.

Fingers Crossed.
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I happened to have some reverb impulses so i tried it. it sounds good for the first release. kind of reminds me of a convolution version of the "o verb" from the oasys PCI
now if only someone had an impulse of that i would be happy!
8800GT non overclocked on Q6600@3Ghz not in the studio. its too noisy.
i just used fruityloops because its quick for trying stuff with.

1: it only used 7 megs and 2% of my GPU with "st peters" impulse so you could run a few of them
2: does not have CPU bound vsti code optimizing compromise sound it "solid" and "clean" almost like DSP
3: Don't accidentally run it while you are running GPU folding @ home :D
4: my impulses were 24 bits and it gets confused and thinks they are mono. you have to use 16 bit stereo files at your working sample rate.
(didnt try 32 bit)
5: there does not seem to be any lag at all. i guess PCIe 16 lane connected to the north bridge is fast enough :)
6: you might want to run some kind of filter before and envelope generator after it because it has no adjustments at all except dry/wet

maybe now im going to see if i can find a 8800with passive... lots of cheap reverbs :)
maybe someone will make GPU resynthesis 16 OP FM or other thing that is too much for VST
im glad a free one came out before waves or someone (HAHA /nelson)

I just tried a "masterverb crash test" and loaded 16 of them, then one by one loaded different impulses from "tc3000" and FL froze on the 8th one. it did not crash my PC though which kind of surprised me i was expecting a BSOD or something nasty
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Brotha' Man Neutron Thanks.

I was wondering about something.
I have 4 GB's and use the 3GB PAE switch, which means I have over a GB of RAM that goes unused.
I am on this resource thing lately trying to use everything I have to stay off going to 64bit.
Some new Physcially modeled instruments have freed up some RAM, but if I use something like this would it's RAM footprint still fall under the RAM the XP is using, or could it use the unused RAM I have.

Thanks for trying this.
Your pre and post tips for extra editing was spot on BTW. Too many Reverbs have little or no editing which is a sin in my book.
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I dont think it even uses your ram. i think it loads the impulses right in to the video RAM so it can be quickly compared for convolution.

i did a "masterverb test" type thing see above edit
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I tried it.
Must say it is pretty good and fast on the wet level when pushed.
There are bazillion irs to try but all in all its pretty good for a freebee!
And yes it acts more like a dsp verb but it reacts faster...way way faster on changes without clicks then i have ever seen outside hardware.
I want a full version :D
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Neutron wrote:i think it loads the impulses right in to the video RAM
That's exactly what it does. :)
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Shroomz~> wrote:
Neutron wrote:i think it loads the impulses right in to the video RAM
That's exactly what it does. :)
For a Big concert hall verb it takes 2% gpu and 4 mb vid ram of my card.Thats pretty impressive imo.
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shroomz you could offer them your interface services and some "suggestions" while you are kicked off of developing by Sharc :)

imagine the day when video card has a STDM cable to your DSPs :)
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Wow.... :o
RAM on AGP 4x was the original idea. Back when 64 & 128 were more common. I remember because I had a 16MB Matrox and was concerned.

Just ordered a new vido card.
No need to be a Glutton, an 8800GT w/ 512MB card also has a fan to prevent soundscapes of lushliness.
Jeez for a hundred bucks I can try some new verbs.
The ones on VSTi's suck really bad.
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True, they are not bad.
I wish I could describe in technical terms why DSP based verbs sound better, but I can only say a well made DSP reverb wraps itself around the sound where as the VST/GigaPulse verbs add color. I will be the first one to go for a free plug or even an inexpensive one as long as it could equal the results.
Another example is GigaPulse sounded good over my 2.1 Blues, and headsets. But standing back from the speakers and letting my singer do her Alicia Keyes number using a Wurlitzer w/ the GPulse, then the MVPro and even RMX160 and ARMS-3 I just didn't like the sound, but when I showed the difference w/ the PCM91 it was like the sound came forward w/ beauty, and the others confined and colored it.
It worked out bad for me as she said she wanted it for her vocals and solo Piano parts, naturally I caved, as the other choice would be listening to endless cackling and constant needling until she got her way. It was a mistake to bring it.
I hope I like the BionicFX w/ the 8800GT.
I must have something to fill the void until XITE-1 is released.
And if those reverbs suck, I'll buy another hardware unit.
When you have to hear yourself for hours everyday, the sound must make you happy or you'll be squinting instead of smiling the entire night.
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Neutron wrote:shroomz you could offer them your interface services and some "suggestions"
That's not a bad idea...

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I've never yet owned nor wanted a Nvidia based gfx card. Algorithms like those should be useable on any common and sufficiently powerful gpu available before solutions like that become an option to even think about. Until that time comes and stuff starts working nicely and generally compatible, I will continue using my preferred hardware 'verbs. Also I believe, true audio focused development will always be one or several steps ahead of the software designers when it comes to useability and professionality. And there are those who will always seek their own sound and use their own flavor of gear, not paying much attention to what is hot and new (like me, more or less), or the vintage lovers who won't so much as twitch a brow at some analogue hiss or narrow stereo imaging.
The way it is now, I don't really see it being more than a tryout of new options, with existing, but easily overestimated chances of turning into something common, let alone a standard.
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I've owned about 4 NV cards including 2 that were very expensive & designed for use in 3D design/development. Tbh, they all performed really well, but having said that, I'd still have to agree with most of JoeKa's points.
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