The New USA

[Cochise]

Right; and how many members in the congress?

[Cochise]

it's never good when the government can "get things done". factionalism breeds gridlock which stops the greedy man's power grab and ambition. the governments that "get things done" the best, are always dictatorships. politicians are always trying to sucker the public into thinking that if their leaders could only work together, they'd work on making a wonderful world for everybody. they always say "just give me a little more money and power and i can fix everything, i am with EXPERTS". unfortunately, all of those guys are usually busier at making the world wonderful for themselves, so gridlock is good.

Ok, when laws and decrees are discussed by many people it is anyway a sign of democracy.
Splitting parties it's different in my opinion.. But it depends on how the specific parliament works, and these sometimes definitely aren't the simplier and clearer rules to understand..

[garyb]

these days, everyone talks about laws and decrees, and then the "authorities" do whatever they want to. a good example is the banker bailout, again. easily 90% of americans were against it(according to congressmen on the house and senate floor) and it passed anyway. i'm sure there were similar numbers when such legislation was passed in Europe.

this is a sign of dictatorship, although who exactly the dictator is is veiled...

[braincell]

If you want the public to vote on every issue, first we would need better public schools which actually turn out intelligent people rather than morons. Right now the general public is so stupid, we basically have a bunch of idiots. I would not want such people to make important decisions for the country.

We find (especially in the red states), that a majority of the people are very inbred and not able to decide what is right for their own families, let alone for the nation. These people have been breeding with their cousins for so long and subjected to such an inferior level of education compared with more advanced nations, that there is no hope they could understand banking. The only way they can graduate from high school is because of the bell curve which makes is possible for any teacher no matter how inept he or she may be to get rid of the current crop of students each and every year. The teacher's goal is to make it through another year.

[Cochise]

It's a veiled oligarchy all over the world, Gary. and it's really becoming more strict, here at least.
The moral of the people having the power concerns to preserve, increase and enjoy tasting the power over other people; this is the first, basical rule. The well being of the people, of the planet, the things that for us are the common good and the common resources are placed more or less down in their scale.

I still have an hope in Obama. But at now I also have a hope in the American people as I've already said, since in the New USA more than 50% of them didn't want a guy called McCain, war veteran, and his vice-candidate, the woman with the gun , and this can make me hope for more peace. They voted instead for a black guy from Kenya (sorry wasn't Schwarzenegger (Blacknigger?) born outside US?) with more or less awareness about backstages, but they also voted for the symbol of a certain kind of moralties, imho, that's positive to me.
The majority of people here voted for the moralities of Berlusconi, so I don't have to suffer the decrees of this government only, but the moral rules and the mindset of the majority of the people around me too.
Not only there's an oligharchy ruling allover the world, but there's also a lot of people that like their style. And the things are settled in a sort of sub-baronies fashion. A sort of pyramid in which even who's at the base give himself airs and raise superiority pose with regard to everyone else being outside the pyramid...

[dawman]

The Antichrist............

What I really like about the banks are the way they told me my rental property was appraised at 528,000 just 2 years ago. Now it is valued at 275,000 USD. Well if that's the case then everyones mortgage payments should be cheaper, but instead they remain fixed or are at higher rates.
I was offered loans I never asked for and had a credit line of 80,000 USD which I never needed in the last few years, constantly telemarketers were calling me to re finance my house.......why?
Because they knew then that the inflated values were false, and wanted people to refinance and borrow knowing many could never pay it back.
My first house I bought cost 58,000 and we paid off the house within 5 years, I had to put down 10,000 just to get the loan !! Now they have 50 year mortgages, mine were 10 and 15, not even 30 ! I have been screwed in a big way by the World Bank.
These banks knew what was coming and allowed people w/ poor credit to have a new home. Instead of having collateral like a down payment, when times got tough, people just quit paying as they had nothing to lose.
This is all a big scam that was concieved as soon as telemarketers and re financing commercials hit the scene 6 years ago.

How does one cope with the possibilty of economic collapse and martial law?
Learn how to hunt, fish, shoot and survive. I even have a gas generator so I can use my samplers to play the sounds of shotguns and fully auto AK47's going off to scare away ill intenders. It helps to conserve the limited ammunition for when the time to get down happens.

[Neutron]

They voted instead for a black guy from Kenya

Does Hawaii always issue birth certificates for people born in Kenya?
all that email chain letter nonsense was lies. just like every other chain letter.

[braincell]

Xite, Why didn't you stay in the first house you bought? Do you know Hispanic people are living with 10 people in two bedroom apartments in Washington DC? With the kind of money you make you should have paid for 5 houses by now! You can easily find people to rent rooms in your house to pay for your mortgage. Of all people, you have a hell of a nerve to complain. You earn over $250,000 a year! If you can't make it on that, you are just stupid! I have a good idea, instead of buying expensive music gear, why not pay off your loans first? A loan is a contract, you knew that when you bought your house. You should have anticipated this could happen. I sold my house after 5 years and bought a new house with cash and no mortgage.

[garyb]

They voted instead for a black guy from Kenya

Does Hawaii always issue birth certificates for people born in Kenya?
all that email chain letter nonsense was lies. just like every other chain letter.

so they continually claim. the records are not open.

and yes, you CAN get a birth certificate just issued. i have TWO personally. one has my original last name and father, the other has my adopted last name and father. both are issued by the State of California. the birth certificate is NOT the same as the official birth record.

..and McCain was actually born on that base in Panama that wasn't even built until 2 years after he was born. why would these guys lie? people in power have NEVER lied about who they were...

[siriusbliss]

They voted instead for a black guy from Kenya

Does Hawaii always issue birth certificates for people born in Kenya?
all that email chain letter nonsense was lies. just like every other chain letter.

You'll have to check with Obomba's paternal grandmother, who said in an interview that she was present at the birth - in Kenya.

There's a multitude of lawsuits right now re: his citizenship status, since he never handed over birth certificate/record when requested.

So, it's yet to be determined either way - but 'the machine' is certainly making it hard to determine authenticity.

Of course, if he's found out, then that leaves us with CFR stooge Biden, and/or Congress will just say 'oops, guess we have to change the Constitution' - which then opens the door for Schwarzenneger (just another socialist leaning liberal in neo-con clothing).

G

[Cochise]

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It's definitely too late in the night here to continue to post, sorry

[Cochise]

How does one cope with the possibilty of economic collapse and martial law?
Learn how to hunt, fish, shoot and survive. I even have a gas generator so I can use my samplers to play the sounds of shotguns and fully auto AK47's going off to scare away ill intenders. It helps to conserve the limited ammunition for when the time to get down happens.

[garyb]

If you want the public to vote on every issue, first we would need better public schools which actually turn out intelligent people rather than morons. Right now the general public is so stupid, we basically have a bunch of idiots. I would not want such people to make important decisions for the country.

We find (especially in the red states), that a majority of the people are very inbred and not able to decide what is right for their own families, let alone for the nation. These people have been breeding with their cousins for so long and subjected to such an inferior level of education compared with more advanced nations, that there is no hope they could understand banking. The only way they can graduate from high school is because of the bell curve which makes is possible for any teacher no matter how inept he or she may be to get rid of the current crop of students each and every year. The teacher's goal is to make it through another year.

let me break it down for you again, you who are afraid of the inbred.

t h e p e o p l e t h a t y o u t r u s t , t h e "e l i t e", a r e t h e M O S T i n b r e d o n t h e p l a n e t.
royals and wannabees only marry other high borns.

[braincell]

You can't say that about Obama, he's a hybrid plus unlike the hicks, he has an education and he didn't cheat his way through like Bush did.

[dawman]

Actually Braincell I have 3 mortgage free properties. I live in one, rent one, and fish & hunt on the other. I also have a stream and a pond, and my frogs are bigger than yours.
After 30 years of good credit and house payments that's what happens from the fruits of labor.
I think there are 30 Mexicans living in my rental property too, but it's a big Duplex, plenty of room.
I buy expensive gear because it's an investment. Sorry if Holger and the boys won't make a special Braincell version of an XITE-1 for you, but I'll give you a great deal on it when I sell it, of course after a few years of profit making. Speaking of which.....breaks over. Gotta go make my 250 Large.

Adios Pendejo.

[siriusbliss]

actually, the country was split almost 50/50 and it's electoral college votes that are expected to finally carry Obama(it's not over yet, technically).

Right. Technically it's not over until Dec. 18th (?) when the electorates MUST get together to finalize the vote. They COULD switch it back to McCain (!) (apparently it's happened somewhere historically).

So, if people suddenly decide to get a conscience and strive to find integrity to resolve the vote fraud and hacked electronic voting machines, and determine the real outcome (even to prove Obomba really won), then just figure that the bankers and 'elite' that are running the show have the final say anyways.

G

[siriusbliss]

You can't say that about Obama, he's a hybrid plus unlike the hicks, he has an education and he didn't cheat his way through like Bush did.

oh, he's educated alright

G

[garyb]

actually, the country was split almost 50/50 and it's electoral college votes that are expected to finally carry Obama(it's not over yet, technically).

Right. Technically it's not over until Dec. 18th (?) when the electorates MUST get together to finalize the vote. They COULD switch it back to McCain (!) (apparently it's happened somewhere historically).

So, if people suddenly decide to get a conscience and strive to find integrity to resolve the vote fraud and hacked electronic voting machines, and determine the real outcome (even to prove Obomba really won), then just figure that the bankers and 'elite' that are running the show have the final say anyways.

G

that's why the president isn't supposed to have any kind of power "to get things done", to avoid a tyrant.

that's why he's just an administrator.

that's why the current and many former presidencies have done things that can be said to be unconstitutional. as i said, though, if they were good, they'd make sure everyone knew how the government was supposed to work, and it would be transparent in action. it's amazing how many times people in power act criminally, and not in some petty, stealing office supplies or nicking the odd bit of inventory or an occasional $20 out of the till, but in truly criminal and dangerously irresponsible ways. it's like a cult. or occult.

[garyb]

You can't say that about Obama, he's a hybrid plus unlike the hicks, he has an education and he didn't cheat his way through like Bush did.

inbred blue bloods usually do have an education. many hicks do too, but probably most don't. the serfdom rarely need it in the kinds of jobs they are required to perform for the real inbreds. the lower classes freely mix across racial lines regardless of the attempts to keep the different lower classes separated by type, so except for a few isolated backwoods families, the hicks are pretty heinz 57(mutts). it's why they are so hard to kill, like roaches.

actually, Mr. Obama is a purebred. his father was an exceptional man, as was his mother, an exceptional woman from a good family, good stock. obviously, braincell, you know nothing of breeding horses. most thourobreds are brown, but not all.

[garyb]

yes, unread. he dictated, they acted. hail ceasar! it's a one party system!