Creamware need to get serious on this topic.
Creamware need to be more supportive and be more honest.
please learn from your big brother Korg, althought they are richer, but just do it.
http://www.korg.com/oasys_pci_faq_html/ ... ffects.htm
who disagree here?
Creamware need to get serious on this topic. Creamware hones
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Remember: Korg Oasys is dead, discontinued. 
If any buyer wants to inform themselves of the capabilities of any Creamware product, there are tons of people here, on the pulsar-scope list, and other places, where they can ask.
PlanetZ has outdated charts (which I used when I bought my first Pulsar1 card), which help a bit. This stuff takes lots of time. You got it right though - Korg is a MUCH larger company and they can afford to pay someone to do this.
Of course this is not to say I disagree - sure, it would be fabulous especially if Creamware could pay a tech to drive to your house and setup your computer for you...
PS - are you still bitter for your lack of research before your purchase?
If any buyer wants to inform themselves of the capabilities of any Creamware product, there are tons of people here, on the pulsar-scope list, and other places, where they can ask.
PlanetZ has outdated charts (which I used when I bought my first Pulsar1 card), which help a bit. This stuff takes lots of time. You got it right though - Korg is a MUCH larger company and they can afford to pay someone to do this.
Of course this is not to say I disagree - sure, it would be fabulous especially if Creamware could pay a tech to drive to your house and setup your computer for you...
PS - are you still bitter for your lack of research before your purchase?
yep it would be nice to have more info always,but i don't see anything here that is that astounding.basically this site sez "it all depends........."
i don't think that information would have made much difference in my being able to make my pulsar work and i thought that pulsar fufilled my expectations based on the info i had seen.............
i don't think that information would have made much difference in my being able to make my pulsar work and i thought that pulsar fufilled my expectations based on the info i had seen.............
yes i do still
i thought about getting it when it's ad appear on one of the magz and then some website, then one of my friend said he owns the pulsar1 and he love it's flaxability, then i go to the creamware website for more info, then phone them quite a few time, but they just aint honest. which i find out later. just by keep repeating you can do everything, and it's powerful. they even trying to sell me the powersampler, without telling me the detail.
and the main point is, Creamware should show how many voices can be produced, how many effects can be used on how many DSP
the UAD-1 and Powercord do show that on their website also, only creamware aint showing nothing.
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i thought about getting it when it's ad appear on one of the magz and then some website, then one of my friend said he owns the pulsar1 and he love it's flaxability, then i go to the creamware website for more info, then phone them quite a few time, but they just aint honest. which i find out later. just by keep repeating you can do everything, and it's powerful. they even trying to sell me the powersampler, without telling me the detail.
and the main point is, Creamware should show how many voices can be produced, how many effects can be used on how many DSP
the UAD-1 and Powercord do show that on their website also, only creamware aint showing nothing.
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how can u say it's not useful?On 2002-03-29 23:03, garyb wrote:
yep it would be nice to have more info always,but i don't see anything here that is that astounding.basically this site sez "it all depends........."
i don't think that information would have made much difference in my being able to make my pulsar work and i thought that pulsar fufilled my expectations based on the info i had seen.............
maybe u love it because u are old pulsar1 user, well. again, two's user will expect 2~3 times more power than before.
u don't think giving the info on voices, #of effects can be use simontaneously isn't important? doesn't that info tells you want that card can do? and how much power it has?
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yes it's discontinuned
but it might still have win2000/xp driver.
i suspect it's bad selling is due to the honesty of list it's power and it's not expentable also no fancy interface. but it's synths/effects are great, it have better sounding filters.the pro5 emulation sound better than his creamware plug, said by zerg music.
it's just not a complete work overall.
not much different drivers.
not many i/o
only 24/48
and it's exteremely pricy back in the the pulsar1 stage.
if it supports xp
i will be nice to have it in my PC!
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yes it's discontinuned
but it might still have win2000/xp driver.
i suspect it's bad selling is due to the honesty of list it's power and it's not expentable also no fancy interface. but it's synths/effects are great, it have better sounding filters.the pro5 emulation sound better than his creamware plug, said by zerg music.
it's just not a complete work overall.
not much different drivers.
not many i/o
only 24/48
and it's exteremely pricy back in the the pulsar1 stage.
if it supports xp
i will be nice to have it in my PC!
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I still remember before the OASYS came out there were so many heated arguments about that card and its cost. One of the developers would heatedly argue that the cost was justified for what was in his opinion a great card, while others kept attacking him on individual DSP prices etc. ad nauseam.
It was a pity to see this project sink as it seemed to have some nice stuff in there. The physical modelling synths in particular were meant to be quite good.
I must admit, when buying the Pulsar 2 I would have liked to have a table like this to look at showing the power of the particular modules, but I'm still pretty happy with things. I will update my setup with an SRB card down the track to increase the power, but I'm not too miffed about it.
It was a pity to see this project sink as it seemed to have some nice stuff in there. The physical modelling synths in particular were meant to be quite good.
I must admit, when buying the Pulsar 2 I would have liked to have a table like this to look at showing the power of the particular modules, but I'm still pretty happy with things. I will update my setup with an SRB card down the track to increase the power, but I'm not too miffed about it.
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
I must admit, it took some time for me to find the hidden behind the obvious, but now I'm happy, too
Recently listened to several records and thought '...well, nice synth line' - guess what it was - a Minimoog
No, it wasn't that fat, not that hammer, it was just musical, sounded great, right in the mix, played with feeling (I guess).
That was a MONO Synth with ONE single voice...
A Korg MS 20 is also mono, a Prophet five has just this number of voices so what do you argue about ?
Now I check all Cream devices in single voice mode. That's quite an experience and shows differences much better than before when I was trying ultra fat noises eating up all my DSP resources.
It even revealed that there are presets which sound much better with reduced number of voices
Recently listened to several records and thought '...well, nice synth line' - guess what it was - a Minimoog
No, it wasn't that fat, not that hammer, it was just musical, sounded great, right in the mix, played with feeling (I guess).
That was a MONO Synth with ONE single voice...
A Korg MS 20 is also mono, a Prophet five has just this number of voices so what do you argue about ?
Now I check all Cream devices in single voice mode. That's quite an experience and shows differences much better than before when I was trying ultra fat noises eating up all my DSP resources.
It even revealed that there are presets which sound much better with reduced number of voices
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hubird
Agree Astro, less is more.On 2002-03-31 15:02, astroman wrote:
Now I check all Cream devices in single voice mode. That's quite an experience and shows differences much better than before when I was trying ultra fat noises eating up all my DSP resources.
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Number of voices etc. is absolutely a non issue, at least to me.
Let There Be Music!
Funny thing is, I haven't even really used the synths that much yet.
I've still got wall to wall VSTi so I've tended to use those more often.
And I also use a sampler more often than synths anyway. I like the STS3000 to an extent, but I actually prefer working with my ultra cheap VSampler VSTi more. I find it's SF2 import to be far superior to the STS3000 at only $70 US or something. However, I'm sure the STS AKAI support is much better than that of my VSampler.
Ironically, it it using the card setup on a project that I'm really so damn impressed with. I LOVE IT. Setting up mixers and attaching various components all over the place. Fantastic. Happier than a pig in shit really.
I'm sure I'll develop and appreciation for the synths and the samplers of Pulsar, but until that time, I'm still rocking with the basics and having a blast while doing it.
So far, the only really niggling complaint I have is that if I load a different Pulsar project, or change the number of source channels in an ASIO I/O module, my sequencer won't play anymore and I have to restart it. It's a pain, but not so much that I've felt a tremendous urge to complain about it.
Truth be told though, I've got more music work done with this card than with my previous audio solution and that can only be success to me regardless of any arguments about limited power and PCI overflow etc.
As I said though, still liked the stats produced by Korg. Nice to have that information at hand while making a decision.
But you know what would have pissed me off more? Having made a decision based on published stats without comprehending the unmeasurable qualities, like a spontaneous and intuitive creative environment. I would never have understood or been able to measure what a difference this environment was going to make to me.
Sorry, I'm rambling. I don't think this platform is perfect - far from it. But it's really made a difference to me and I'm happy to repeat that over and over....and probably will, so watch out.
I've still got wall to wall VSTi so I've tended to use those more often.
And I also use a sampler more often than synths anyway. I like the STS3000 to an extent, but I actually prefer working with my ultra cheap VSampler VSTi more. I find it's SF2 import to be far superior to the STS3000 at only $70 US or something. However, I'm sure the STS AKAI support is much better than that of my VSampler.
Ironically, it it using the card setup on a project that I'm really so damn impressed with. I LOVE IT. Setting up mixers and attaching various components all over the place. Fantastic. Happier than a pig in shit really.
I'm sure I'll develop and appreciation for the synths and the samplers of Pulsar, but until that time, I'm still rocking with the basics and having a blast while doing it.
So far, the only really niggling complaint I have is that if I load a different Pulsar project, or change the number of source channels in an ASIO I/O module, my sequencer won't play anymore and I have to restart it. It's a pain, but not so much that I've felt a tremendous urge to complain about it.
Truth be told though, I've got more music work done with this card than with my previous audio solution and that can only be success to me regardless of any arguments about limited power and PCI overflow etc.
As I said though, still liked the stats produced by Korg. Nice to have that information at hand while making a decision.
But you know what would have pissed me off more? Having made a decision based on published stats without comprehending the unmeasurable qualities, like a spontaneous and intuitive creative environment. I would never have understood or been able to measure what a difference this environment was going to make to me.
Sorry, I'm rambling. I don't think this platform is perfect - far from it. But it's really made a difference to me and I'm happy to repeat that over and over....and probably will, so watch out.
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
I DXL, I've found a couple of things interesting about this information. The neat thing about Creamware is its flexibility. If you only ran a synth and nothing else on your system you'd be able to get more polyphony. If you ran a synth and a mixer you'd get a different configuration with less polyphony and less room for DSP functions since more is on the plate. How would you suggest that Creamware approach this advertising issue to demonstrate its real power?On 2002-03-29 23:04, dxl wrote:
and the main point is, Creamware should show how many voices can be produced, how many effects can be used on how many DSP
the UAD-1 and Powercord do show that on their website also, only creamware aint showing nothing.
Everyone who usees CW can find a situation to use all of its DSP. Even me with 20 chips can max out my stuff in no time flat! It depends what I want to do though. I'm not always using 5 synths, a sampler, and a full blown mixer with routing I/O from hell and 10 reverbs. Are you?
So in stating the most obvious strong point of the product...CW is probably the most flexible product on the market. You can't get that. Could they do more? It's like asking me if I'd like to drive a Porche instead of my Nissan.
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okok
u are again, wana protect it, coz ur studio is using it, you want people to think you are using really good name. oh well.
the honesty difference is so obvious.
you think before u bought it u don't know how much voice you can get, played the demo a bit, then just go get it becaus it said its "powerful, you can do everything, it's a full studio." and go back to take a deeper look, some synths u can't even get 5 vocie, and yes it's have a ful studio setup but can't use all simontenously, only if you have a scope card. for more vilid points you will find in my old posts.
however, again its flaxiblity is so far the best. that is why still some people getting it becuase it's the only one that is really flaxable.
you think everyone thinking of buying creamware's will know this site?
which shows the honest information which creamware doesn't want to show?
the 4DSP=2Pentium350mhz, and the amout of synths/voices can be use at once, and system requirment, also (the critical support data isn't within each product page)
the advertising method, too many ways, not hard for them at all, their AD developer have made lots great looking and good sounding ads so totally not a problem for them even for you it's not so hard to come out a few statements/charts for telling some deatil if you want think for a little bit. coz lots info is alrea on this website.
i don't have the much DSP as you, so 5 synth, 1 sampler, 10 reverb in the mixer. it's impossible, but i do hope i can get it with my pulsar2.
lets go on, prove me worng!
prove that showing more detail is futile for costomers.
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u are again, wana protect it, coz ur studio is using it, you want people to think you are using really good name. oh well.
the honesty difference is so obvious.
you think before u bought it u don't know how much voice you can get, played the demo a bit, then just go get it becaus it said its "powerful, you can do everything, it's a full studio." and go back to take a deeper look, some synths u can't even get 5 vocie, and yes it's have a ful studio setup but can't use all simontenously, only if you have a scope card. for more vilid points you will find in my old posts.
however, again its flaxiblity is so far the best. that is why still some people getting it becuase it's the only one that is really flaxable.
you think everyone thinking of buying creamware's will know this site?
which shows the honest information which creamware doesn't want to show?
the 4DSP=2Pentium350mhz, and the amout of synths/voices can be use at once, and system requirment, also (the critical support data isn't within each product page)
the advertising method, too many ways, not hard for them at all, their AD developer have made lots great looking and good sounding ads so totally not a problem for them even for you it's not so hard to come out a few statements/charts for telling some deatil if you want think for a little bit. coz lots info is alrea on this website.
i don't have the much DSP as you, so 5 synth, 1 sampler, 10 reverb in the mixer. it's impossible, but i do hope i can get it with my pulsar2.
lets go on, prove me worng!
prove that showing more detail is futile for costomers.
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Hi ohmelas
It would be realy nice, if you deleted your first 2 of the 3 (almost) identical posts
And to the discussion:
I believe in ONE mayor reason for CW not to put down the number of voices. If they i.e. put down the number of voices, you could drag out of a heavy Modular patch (some of them are unloadable with my 4DSPs, a chanel, a midi source, and an analog out), then more users would probably think twice and spend their money on something else. That would be a pitty to a lot of us, because a lot of the CW qualities are not benchmarkable. I am very happy with my Pulsar1 (that didn't work for 2years). And yes, I do considder very heavily to add some 3DSPs more.
Are you realy shure, Pulsar is worth your frustration. I will buy it off of you cheap
Immanuel
It would be realy nice, if you deleted your first 2 of the 3 (almost) identical posts
And to the discussion:
I believe in ONE mayor reason for CW not to put down the number of voices. If they i.e. put down the number of voices, you could drag out of a heavy Modular patch (some of them are unloadable with my 4DSPs, a chanel, a midi source, and an analog out), then more users would probably think twice and spend their money on something else. That would be a pitty to a lot of us, because a lot of the CW qualities are not benchmarkable. I am very happy with my Pulsar1 (that didn't work for 2years). And yes, I do considder very heavily to add some 3DSPs more.
Are you realy shure, Pulsar is worth your frustration. I will buy it off of you cheap
Immanuel
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Hi DXL,
You take an interesting approach...
"lets go on, prove me worng!
prove that showing more detail is futile for costomers. "
Well, I'll reverse that and say:
"Prove that showing less detail is destroying Creamware's sales and reputation."
I mean it's really ridiculous pointing to a website that has certain information on it and then highlighting that as a shining example of what Creamware should try to achieve when for all we know, providing that information contributed to the downfall of Korg's product. I mean it's not a really good example to use is it?
I do agree in concept to providing the information you're talking about as interesting statistics about the product, but can't you see how silly it looks to use a product that failed as an argument for a change in advertising practices for Creamware - a product that was around for longer and is still surviving.
Especially as Creamware's continued survival seems to be despite the "too high" price you keep mentioning, the PCI bus problem and the horrendous lack of power it apparently has.
Now I don't know what makes people buy a product, but to tell you the truth I went on the 'say so' of an avid user - someone who was passionate about this platform and what he had managed to achieve with it. The fact that he had continued to throw money into expansions without complaint and with no apparent misery indicated to me that this was someone who really believed in this platform and I'll take that advice over a bunch of stats on most days.
I had never even seen the Creamware site when I decided to "throw my money away" on the Pulsar 2 card so I guess in my case whether they provided this information or not...
a) didn't effect my decision to buy the card
b) has not made me feel cheated by Creamware one iota.
The other thing to consider is ... what makes someone buy an expensive studio solution like this? I mean you say yourself the thing is expensive. Why would people spend such a large amount of money on a soundcard. When my friends found out what I was spending they all had minor heart attacks.
"Why would you spend so much on a soundcard for your computer?"
I mean what is it that makes someone take that final step?
Frankly, at that price I don't usually give a damn what the company selling it says about it. And moreso, if they published all those figures, I'm not sure if it would've made perfect sense to me anyway if I read it.
But reputation and word of mouth and listening to an expert you have respect for would have to contribute mostly to the purchase ... as it has in all my recent purchases.
But if someone looked at the Creamware site and read the shining advertising there and then decided to purchase an expensive tool only to be disappointed and angry at the supposed false and misleading advertising there, I would have to say - what an idiot!
So Creamware promises this is the tool for you. They're selling it - why would you listen to them!?!? It's just too much to pay for something that you've been convinced to buy through clever advertising surely!
Sorry - this is going way too long. I'll end this now.
You take an interesting approach...
"lets go on, prove me worng!
prove that showing more detail is futile for costomers. "
Well, I'll reverse that and say:
"Prove that showing less detail is destroying Creamware's sales and reputation."
I mean it's really ridiculous pointing to a website that has certain information on it and then highlighting that as a shining example of what Creamware should try to achieve when for all we know, providing that information contributed to the downfall of Korg's product. I mean it's not a really good example to use is it?
I do agree in concept to providing the information you're talking about as interesting statistics about the product, but can't you see how silly it looks to use a product that failed as an argument for a change in advertising practices for Creamware - a product that was around for longer and is still surviving.
Especially as Creamware's continued survival seems to be despite the "too high" price you keep mentioning, the PCI bus problem and the horrendous lack of power it apparently has.
Now I don't know what makes people buy a product, but to tell you the truth I went on the 'say so' of an avid user - someone who was passionate about this platform and what he had managed to achieve with it. The fact that he had continued to throw money into expansions without complaint and with no apparent misery indicated to me that this was someone who really believed in this platform and I'll take that advice over a bunch of stats on most days.
I had never even seen the Creamware site when I decided to "throw my money away" on the Pulsar 2 card so I guess in my case whether they provided this information or not...
a) didn't effect my decision to buy the card
b) has not made me feel cheated by Creamware one iota.
The other thing to consider is ... what makes someone buy an expensive studio solution like this? I mean you say yourself the thing is expensive. Why would people spend such a large amount of money on a soundcard. When my friends found out what I was spending they all had minor heart attacks.
"Why would you spend so much on a soundcard for your computer?"
I mean what is it that makes someone take that final step?
Frankly, at that price I don't usually give a damn what the company selling it says about it. And moreso, if they published all those figures, I'm not sure if it would've made perfect sense to me anyway if I read it.
But reputation and word of mouth and listening to an expert you have respect for would have to contribute mostly to the purchase ... as it has in all my recent purchases.
But if someone looked at the Creamware site and read the shining advertising there and then decided to purchase an expensive tool only to be disappointed and angry at the supposed false and misleading advertising there, I would have to say - what an idiot!
So Creamware promises this is the tool for you. They're selling it - why would you listen to them!?!? It's just too much to pay for something that you've been convinced to buy through clever advertising surely!
Sorry - this is going way too long. I'll end this now.
Caleb
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it's just a easy simple example, the oasys failed due to the price and not mature sturecture, yet better sounding, and maybe due to their honesty on showing all detail.
however, even the UAD-1 and TCpowercore have some info on those kind of thing.
am i wrong?
however, even the UAD-1 and TCpowercore have some info on those kind of thing.
am i wrong?
who knows?!had never even seen the Creamware site when I decided to "throw my money away" on the Pulsar 2 card so I guess in my case whether they provided this information or not...
a) didn't effect my decision to buy the card
b) has not made me feel cheated by Creamware one iota.
no, they won't but a basic idea.Frankly, at that price I don't usually give a damn what the company selling it says about it. And moreso, if they published all those figures, I'm not sure if it would've made perfect sense to me anyway if I read it.
you just remarked quite a few people!But if someone looked at the Creamware site and read the shining advertising there and then decided to purchase an expensive tool only to be disappointed and angry at the supposed false and misleading advertising there, I would have to say - what an idiot!
they are sellers! oh actaully talk with them quite a few time.So Creamware promises this is the tool for you. They're selling it - why would you listen to them!?!? It's just too much to pay for something that you've been convinced to buy through clever advertising surely!
expect to have more power for less money.The other thing to consider is ... what makes someone buy an expensive studio solution like this? I mean you say yourself the thing is expensive. Why would people spend such a large amount of money on a soundcard. When my friends found out what I was spending they all had minor heart attacks.
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