cheers, Tom
keep it up
who runs things?
nevertheless I'd like to disagree about 'the problem created over thousands of years'
you might as well paraphrase it as the human version of 'survival of the fittest' in a herd context
balance of power has always served to avoid conflicts - most animals (as they are commonly called, which I wouldn't subscribe to, btw) have methods like the proverbial 'baring of teeth'
The USA and the former USSR each had an arsenal of rockets
on a smaller scale a tribe wouldn't attack another if there wasn't a supposed advantage
from a point of survival tribes don't need to attack each other, but (afaik) they still do - everywhere in the world where such ancient cultures have survived.
I mean - not all do it, some may even avoid such conflicts completely, yet it happens more or less regularily.
the next stage is that tribes unite to 'create an advantage' - again not an unusual pattern in nature.
etc, etc through the ages ...
until you arrive in this century and it's intellectual, economic and political leaders.
if you look carefully, you'd hardly find any human action which is not related to a much older pattern that evolution developed even before this race existed.
cheers, Tom
you might as well paraphrase it as the human version of 'survival of the fittest' in a herd context
balance of power has always served to avoid conflicts - most animals (as they are commonly called, which I wouldn't subscribe to, btw) have methods like the proverbial 'baring of teeth'
The USA and the former USSR each had an arsenal of rockets
on a smaller scale a tribe wouldn't attack another if there wasn't a supposed advantage
from a point of survival tribes don't need to attack each other, but (afaik) they still do - everywhere in the world where such ancient cultures have survived.
I mean - not all do it, some may even avoid such conflicts completely, yet it happens more or less regularily.
the next stage is that tribes unite to 'create an advantage' - again not an unusual pattern in nature.
etc, etc through the ages ...
until you arrive in this century and it's intellectual, economic and political leaders.
if you look carefully, you'd hardly find any human action which is not related to a much older pattern that evolution developed even before this race existed.
cheers, Tom
thanks for the kind words....
astro, yes we have the ability for violence which is a GOOD trait that allows a man to protect the tribe. this instinct has been perverted. it's a matter of historic record that the present troubles began with the rise of the builders. period.
the USA and USSR conflict was mostly a TV show. yes, there are deadly technologies, but really, the empires have been in cooperation more than conflict, even when it comes to conflict itself. the SELF-destructive behavior is NOT ancient, it is learned throught he generations. it is a sign of deviant developement that is contrary to survival and so is obviously not natural. regardless of what you think about my arguement, however, is the FACT that the soviet union AND communist china were funded primarily by the Rockefellor family and by the rest of the banking establishment in general. these banking families also fund the "west" and are allied with the forces that run bilderberg...
ALL royalty is from a single family line....
as far as ancient cultures are concerned. only ONE is truly ancient that survived into the 20th century and that is the San people's culture(which is dead in the 21st century, it no longer exists). as i said, the San people are the ROOT people of ALL people on the earth. they are the direct decendants of the original human tribe that flourished on the eastern african coast near the middle east and they are the parent people to those who left and wandered across the world.
this thing we call civilization and the money system and the system of elites are all decended from a single western asian king named Nimrod or Gilgamesh. all of the world's kings claim his family line. this is all the work of a deviant sub-species(which is well worked into most family lines by these present times). in fact, so-called Darwinism is part of their religion. they consider themselves to be top predators and most humans to be their rightful prey. how do i know this? they brag....
astro, yes we have the ability for violence which is a GOOD trait that allows a man to protect the tribe. this instinct has been perverted. it's a matter of historic record that the present troubles began with the rise of the builders. period.
the USA and USSR conflict was mostly a TV show. yes, there are deadly technologies, but really, the empires have been in cooperation more than conflict, even when it comes to conflict itself. the SELF-destructive behavior is NOT ancient, it is learned throught he generations. it is a sign of deviant developement that is contrary to survival and so is obviously not natural. regardless of what you think about my arguement, however, is the FACT that the soviet union AND communist china were funded primarily by the Rockefellor family and by the rest of the banking establishment in general. these banking families also fund the "west" and are allied with the forces that run bilderberg...
ALL royalty is from a single family line....
as far as ancient cultures are concerned. only ONE is truly ancient that survived into the 20th century and that is the San people's culture(which is dead in the 21st century, it no longer exists). as i said, the San people are the ROOT people of ALL people on the earth. they are the direct decendants of the original human tribe that flourished on the eastern african coast near the middle east and they are the parent people to those who left and wandered across the world.
this thing we call civilization and the money system and the system of elites are all decended from a single western asian king named Nimrod or Gilgamesh. all of the world's kings claim his family line. this is all the work of a deviant sub-species(which is well worked into most family lines by these present times). in fact, so-called Darwinism is part of their religion. they consider themselves to be top predators and most humans to be their rightful prey. how do i know this? they brag....
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Yes, Tom, one can easily slough it off to tribalism, survival of the fittest, or animalistic tendencies, or whatever, but it's the CAPITALIZATION and MANIPULATION of these factors that 'certain members' (a minority I might add) of the species use that is of question.astroman wrote:nevertheless I'd like to disagree about 'the problem created over thousands of years'
you might as well paraphrase it as the human version of 'survival of the fittest' in a herd context
balance of power has always served to avoid conflicts - most animals (as they are commonly called, which I wouldn't subscribe to, btw) have methods like the proverbial 'baring of teeth'
The USA and the former USSR each had an arsenal of rockets
on a smaller scale a tribe wouldn't attack another if there wasn't a supposed advantage
from a point of survival tribes don't need to attack each other, but (afaik) they still do - everywhere in the world where such ancient cultures have survived.
I mean - not all do it, some may even avoid such conflicts completely, yet it happens more or less regularily.
the next stage is that tribes unite to 'create an advantage' - again not an unusual pattern in nature.
etc, etc through the ages ...
until you arrive in this century and it's intellectual, economic and political leaders.
if you look carefully, you'd hardly find any human action which is not related to a much older pattern that evolution developed even before this race existed.
cheers, Tom
So, imagine these old, rich f*cks sitting around drinking wine and deciding how they will steer the fate of Iran, Iraq, economy, etc. etc. - all in their favor, and to the favor of their 'keepers'. WHY the secrecy? Why does the media not even MENTION that Obomba and Hitlery MET at this gathering before Hitlery's hand-over to Obomba this morning (to 'unite' the DNC)? Why does the media not even MENTION that the event even occurred? Why do the 'counter-conspiracy conspiracists' try to deny that the gathering even takes place, or that it even MEANS anything?
This year there are at least 20 countries with major elections, including Ireland potentially dumping the EU (yes!), NAFTA, CAFTA, NAU, etc. are up for 'extension' here in the US. I mean, even the stupid San Diego Mayoral race is contentious because of the 'border wars' going on between here and Tijuana, with drug lords trying to push their way into US territory. WHO is going to resovle THAT? The CIA? The UN? or the B'bergers?
Give me a break!
So, WHAT are these goober-heads discussing and deciding - without anyone's vote or say-so? How will it effect YOU personally?
This is all redundant bullshit, and it's pissing me off.
Evolution my ass.
Greg
(I think the ass/buttox evolved to resemble a woman's breast viewed from the back - or was it the other way around?)
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Gary, thanks for the healthy discussions 
OK, first of all i would like to make one thing clear: I have NEVER defended these guys/woman (if you think so, please enlighten/quote me). Its probably just that i interpet the issue from another angle. but i like c ontext; i could rip a five-liner from orwell anytime, and if the reader hadn't read the book i could make it soun pretty scary as a "plan".
I have never put muchattention to the "bildenberg connection" i admit (the crown prince of norway married a single mother crfack whore). But i find your way of argument to be a rather self-destructive, mystification and enpowering way of argument. I mean, there IS a long way from the unhealthy commersialisation we have at this moment (halliburton/iraq etc), but to mysstify this into some holy grail secret hocuspocuss stuff ending in a matrix-like power pack is just dumbening down the debate.
Commercial powers have too much power. most of us know that. rich people stick together, as people in need do. its only more vulgar.
So i say fuck all the sensasionalist jibberish, say it for what it actually is, without putting too much revenue-generating marketing for moneymilking cunts in it, elect a proper president (and if that is "not possible", it should be more of an issue than americans not being able to have a colt in their linning).
people will allways strive for power and territory. just ask Cartman.
We all know, the rulers thought is the ruling thought.
OK, first of all i would like to make one thing clear: I have NEVER defended these guys/woman (if you think so, please enlighten/quote me). Its probably just that i interpet the issue from another angle. but i like c ontext; i could rip a five-liner from orwell anytime, and if the reader hadn't read the book i could make it soun pretty scary as a "plan".
I have never put muchattention to the "bildenberg connection" i admit (the crown prince of norway married a single mother crfack whore). But i find your way of argument to be a rather self-destructive, mystification and enpowering way of argument. I mean, there IS a long way from the unhealthy commersialisation we have at this moment (halliburton/iraq etc), but to mysstify this into some holy grail secret hocuspocuss stuff ending in a matrix-like power pack is just dumbening down the debate.
Commercial powers have too much power. most of us know that. rich people stick together, as people in need do. its only more vulgar.
So i say fuck all the sensasionalist jibberish, say it for what it actually is, without putting too much revenue-generating marketing for moneymilking cunts in it, elect a proper president (and if that is "not possible", it should be more of an issue than americans not being able to have a colt in their linning).
people will allways strive for power and territory. just ask Cartman.
We all know, the rulers thought is the ruling thought.
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If the facts themselves are considered sensationalism, then it can also be considered denial to not even consider the possibility that things are not as they seem on the surface.next to nothing wrote:Gary, thanks for the healthy discussions
OK, first of all i would like to make one thing clear: I have NEVER defended these guys/woman (if you think so, please enlighten/quote me). Its probably just that i interpet the issue from another angle. but i like c ontext; i could rip a five-liner from orwell anytime, and if the reader hadn't read the book i could make it soun pretty scary as a "plan".
I have never put muchattention to the "bildenberg connection" i admit (the crown prince of norway married a single mother crfack whore). But i find your way of argument to be a rather self-destructive, mystification and enpowering way of argument. I mean, there IS a long way from the unhealthy commersialisation we have at this moment (halliburton/iraq etc), but to mysstify this into some holy grail secret hocuspocuss stuff ending in a matrix-like power pack is just dumbening down the debate.
Commercial powers have too much power. most of us know that. rich people stick together, as people in need do. its only more vulgar.
So i say fuck all the sensasionalist jibberish, say it for what it actually is, without putting too much revenue-generating marketing for moneymilking cunts in it, elect a proper president (and if that is "not possible", it should be more of an issue than americans not being able to have a colt in their linning).
people will allways strive for power and territory. just ask Cartman.
We all know, the rulers thought is the ruling thought.
And no, it's not possible to elect a real president (lower case) anymore in the US, so sorry - until all the electronic voting machines and national party ownership of tabulation systems go away, then it won't happen.
Lastly, having a colt in our lining is one issue that none of the current Presidential candidates supports, so the gun-grabbing liberals out there will be happy.
Idealism will not resolve this current situation.
Greg
p.s. and do some research on who owns Halliburton, and then check the b'berger attendance list, and then check who the individuals were to drove the policy that drug us into Iraq. The truth will reveal itself, and it won't be 'sensationalized'.
see, George Orwell was, as are most of these high level scifi writers, an insider. check his and his family's history. the same for Huxley and H. G. Wells and Asimov(i've loved all their writings, of course!). there's even an official term for the kind of writing they do. it's called "predictive programming"(really!) and it's part of the way the herd functions. if you google the term, you'll get conspiracy sites, but that's because it really is the academic term for a part of the culturing process in a technological society. it's through these types of processes that the herd doesn't get spooked by the changes that the planners have in mind, because through predictive programming, one sees a "natural evolution" that is inexorable and systematic. "of COURSE things had to turn out this way!"
this artificial reality seems so normal to people, that they bristle with rage(a protective stance) at the idea that there is a con* involved, hence the matrix comparison(which as a movie is predictive programming itself. not so much for the reality is that world, but the idea of it....).
anyway, mr next to nothing, thank YOU for the discussions!
*p.s. a con game is a kings game. the king is the shepherd of the flock. he carries a rod or staff, more precisely a cane, which is a staff with a hook on it, a crook. kings come from the ling of Cain(through Nimrod) and so you have:
Cain
King
Konig
Kahn
Cane
Crook
Con
and so it is....
this artificial reality seems so normal to people, that they bristle with rage(a protective stance) at the idea that there is a con* involved, hence the matrix comparison(which as a movie is predictive programming itself. not so much for the reality is that world, but the idea of it....).
anyway, mr next to nothing, thank YOU for the discussions!
*p.s. a con game is a kings game. the king is the shepherd of the flock. he carries a rod or staff, more precisely a cane, which is a staff with a hook on it, a crook. kings come from the ling of Cain(through Nimrod) and so you have:
Cain
King
Konig
Kahn
Cane
Crook
Con
and so it is.... One thing, I often think of, when I read these threa(d/t)s is: Greed breeds greed. Power brings desire for more power. Greed and power desire goes hand in hand. But for "me" to have more, "you" need to have less.
And in a game as the one talked about in this thread, "we" (the pessants) already have next to nothing. So, if "I" want more, and "I" am of great power, then I need somebody else with great power to have less - othervice it does not really count.
So much peace within such a presumeably powerful organisation is just not likely to me. Powerstruggles and secret games between the members are, however, very likely to me.
Bonus question for Gary: You might have heard of Mærsk. He is the richest man in Denmark - and a very old one too. I belive he runs the biggest shipping company of the world. As I recall it, his father build it up from scratch. What would his connection to the thing be? His name does not appear on the list. I mean, the guy does have a quite powerful position within world trade of goods.
And in a game as the one talked about in this thread, "we" (the pessants) already have next to nothing. So, if "I" want more, and "I" am of great power, then I need somebody else with great power to have less - othervice it does not really count.
So much peace within such a presumeably powerful organisation is just not likely to me. Powerstruggles and secret games between the members are, however, very likely to me.
Bonus question for Gary: You might have heard of Mærsk. He is the richest man in Denmark - and a very old one too. I belive he runs the biggest shipping company of the world. As I recall it, his father build it up from scratch. What would his connection to the thing be? His name does not appear on the list. I mean, the guy does have a quite powerful position within world trade of goods.
yes, i'm aware of him. i live near the major deep water port in southern California, long Beach/Los Angeles and 25-30% of the containers bear his name.Immanuel wrote: Bonus question for Gary: You might have heard of Mærsk. He is the richest man in Denmark - and a very old one too. I belive he runs the biggest shipping company of the world. As I recall it, his father build it up from scratch. What would his connection to the thing be? His name does not appear on the list. I mean, the guy does have a quite powerful position within world trade of goods.
from scratch? maybe. usually, there is some family history of money.
it's not just that these people are rich. money is not the thing, it's a carrot and whip. many have much money, but there are those with less on the books that are more powerful. remember, someone makes, manages and prints the money, and then distributes it. hey, the old guy's rich! nice for him. i'm sure he does his part. i'm sure he's a good dancing partner when he needs to be.
Bilderberg is rather creme de la creme. after these meetings will come events like the Bohemian Club's Cremation of Care, where the word will be passed on and then the policies will filter down to us via the various compartmentalized businesses and officials. direct control isn't required. scientific and systematic control is much more effective and less conspicuous.
not all rich people are in agreement either. and certainly, not all are "bad", though the system that makes them rich IS. this certain, particular mafia has a fine stranglehold on the main rackets, however.
stardust, part of the solution is awareness of the actual situation. nothing can be done until many and many more see the sight. this is the biggest fear of folks like the bilderbergers, that their machinations might be public. why do you think they meet in secret?
there is no possible help from some "hero" or "savior", however. any such "hero" who took the mantle of power in the present situation would be corrupted by the system of power itself. it's designed that way. still, it's the common folk whose power is harnessed to create this system that wishes to kill them, and it's the common folk who can put a stop to it. this makes the powerful shake in their boots and makes them hire security, not just to protect them from other criminals, but even more so, to protect from those with a true beef. guys like David Rockefellor have nightmares about the rabble and that's a big part of the reason that wars happen and deadly virii exist and cancer's gone from 1 in 33 to 1 in 3 and so on. i notice you too want to defend that which neither belongs to you, nor is there for your benefit....it's scary to think of life without the loving care of these Gods On Earth, huh?-
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Hi hi hi,
this is almost like Jehova's witnesses. Stardust, you need to get educated and study the "good theory" with the ones that already "know", and you will be delivered
And hey, how convenient, you can do-it-all online
sorry Gary, just couldn't resist it...
but on a more serious note, yes, i do believe there is a conspiracy- one of greed and stupidity, and we all have to deal with it on a very personal uncomfortable kitchen-sink level. Calling "them" responsible for your misery ain't gonna do sh@te...
IMHO, of course
this is almost like Jehova's witnesses. Stardust, you need to get educated and study the "good theory" with the ones that already "know", and you will be delivered
And hey, how convenient, you can do-it-all online
sorry Gary, just couldn't resist it...
but on a more serious note, yes, i do believe there is a conspiracy- one of greed and stupidity, and we all have to deal with it on a very personal uncomfortable kitchen-sink level. Calling "them" responsible for your misery ain't gonna do sh@te...
IMHO, of course
May all sentient beings achieve liberation from suffering
well, my thoughts were rather about the interactional part, but then as a sidenote...garyb wrote:mountain climbing, jet travel, electric razors, space flight, computer simulation of reality.....astroman wrote: if you look carefully, you'd hardly find any human action which is not related to a much older pattern that evolution developed even before this race existed.
goats are extremely talented climbers, capricorns even use their horns as an 'artificial' help to get over difficult places
jet propulsion is an invention of the octopus
birds take advantage of high altitude airstreams and travel even between the poles on a regular schedule - or were it whales in the sea (?)
the dragonfly outperforms any human designed flight device as it just needs 4 wings for movement in arbitrary directions.
encapsulated organism have the potential to survive 'real spaceflights' if thrown up by volcano eruptions with enough energy to leave the gravitational field of planet earth
electric razors are pointless anyway...
computer simulation of reality is a pretty lame approach compared to biochemical information density as present in (any!) nervous system.
but the most fascinating picture I ever saw was a microscope shot showng protozoa fighting bacteria by protein rockets
back to politics
I never understood why Kubricks 'Full Metal Jacket' was declared an anti-war movie - imho it's awefully promotional... or should it just be considered 'macabre'garyb wrote:see, George Orwell was, as are most of these high level scifi writers, an insider. check his and his family's history. the same for Huxley and H. G. Wells and Asimov(i've loved all their writings, of course!). there's even an official term for the kind of writing they do. it's called "predictive programming"(really!) and it's part of the way the herd functions. ...
cheers, Tom
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People dont know WHY they do certain things... it just "happens" right ?siriusbliss wrote:all in all, the questions are:
Who's power do you live by?
What is real to you?
Who's life are you living?
so I would add the questions:
- Who has the power to change your behaviour without you being aware of it
- How can one change behaviour of people without them knowing about it
- Why dont we know about it at the moment we act out our stupidity