who runs things?

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:52 pm

List of people who believe they own the world.
Noone has voted for these people (unless they are former - assigned- Presidents, etc.).

Why all the secrecy?

They design world policy (such as when/how to attack I-ran)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bi ... _attendees

Greg

Post by **garyb** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:57 am

Post by **garyb** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:58 am

Post by **garyb** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:13 am

their think tank(or rather the one that works for them) and one of it's books:

Post by **garyb** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:17 am

and something that think tank wrote in the book:

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:55 am

without having read the book - the excerpt above describes a specific situation in an absolutely correct and non-offensiv way.
It's meaning depends to a large degree on a bigger context, as humanity may either be read in the sence of 'group of (alll) people' or a 'friendly and forgiving attitude' or 'being human at all'.

cheers, Tom
it's worth a peek Gary, isn't it ?

the problem (here) would be an original copy (assuming it was released in English...)

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:00 am

astroman wrote:without having read the book - the excerpt above describes a specific situation in an absolutely correct and non-offensiv way.
It's meaning depends to a large degree on a bigger context, as humanity may either be read in the sence of 'group of (alll) people' or a 'friendly and forgiving attitude' or 'being human at all'.

cheers, Tom
it's worth a peek Gary, isn't it ?
the problem (here) would be an original copy (assuming it was released in English...)

The phrase 'in searching for a new enemy to unite us..." IS offensive in and of itself, since it assumes 1) we NEED an enemy, and 2) that humanity is really it's own excuse for an enemy.

This is classic mind-fucking double-speak, and is redundant psycho-manipulative counter-productive clap-trap that has no basis in even EXISTING as a conversation, context, let alone setting up some top-secret secluded meeting somewhere (throughout history in one form or another).

It's ALL REDUNDANT - so why does it exist at all?

This IS offensive.

Greg

Post by **garyb** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:49 am

it says that they were searching for a trick to "unite" world opinion and they decided to use the THREAT of global warming and other environmental disaster.it says that the real target(the enemy) of the "war" that the united humanity will fight will be against humanity itself. that is offensive to me.

if you go to the club's own website, you'll see them describe themselves thusly:

"The Club of Rome’s mission is to act as a global catalyst of change"

if you check out the definition of "catalyst", you will find:
cat·a·lyst –noun
1. Chemistry. a substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected.
2. something that causes activity between two or more persons or forces without itself being affected.

when they speak of humanity and problems, they speak about what to do with YOU, not them, as a catalyst is not affected by the actions that it facilitates.

very tricky this public relations and doublethink....

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:06 pm

stardust wrote:offensive to whom ?

Not that you are wrong saying that it is offensive.
But to whom is the offense directed ?

IMHO to a non existing responsibility of human species. Right ?

Or do you see it as an offense to name a disease and prophylactically kill the messenger.

The doublespeak is offensive. It's problem-reaction-solution. Create a 'problem', that creates a 'reaction' in people, for which only 'they' have a solution. It's the solution you have to watch out for (even more than simply naming humans as the 'disease', and definitely much more than simply killing the messenger. MUCH more deep-seated manipulative agenda going on here.

Greg

Post by **garyb** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:04 pm

Bilderberg Attendee List 2008
Chantilly, Virginia, USA
Chantilly, Virginia, USA
5-8 June 2008
CURRENT LIST OF PARTICIPANTS

Honorary Chairman
BEL Davignon, Etienne Vice Chairman, Suez-Tractebel

DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG
CAN Adams, John Associate Deputy Minister of National Defence and Chief of the Communications Security Establishment Canada
USA Ajami, Fouad Director, Middle East Studies Program, The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, The Johns Hopkins University
USA Alexander, Keith B. Director, National Security Agency
INT Almunia, Joaquín Commissioner, European Commission
GRC Alogoskoufis, George Minister of Economy and Finance
USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.
TUR Babacan, Ali Minister of Foreign Affairs
NLD Balkenende, Jan Peter Prime Minister
PRT Balsemão, Francisco Pinto Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister
FRA Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
ITA Bernabè, Franco CEO, Telecom Italia Spa
USA Bernanke, Ben S. Chairman, Board of Governors, Federal Reserve System
SWE Bildt, Carl Minister of Foreign Affairs
FIN Blåfield, Antti Senior Editorial Writer, Helsingin Sanomat
DNK Bosse, Stine CEO, TrygVesta
CAN Brodie, Ian Chief of Staff, Prime Minister's Office
AUT Bronner, Oscar Publisher and Editor, Der Standard
FRA Castries, Henri de Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, AXA
ESP Cebrián, Juan Luis CEO, PRISA
CAN Clark, Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group
GBR Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament
NOR Clemet, Kristin Managing Director, Civita
USA Collins, Timothy C. Senior Managing Director and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
FRA Collomb, Bertrand Honorary Chairman, Lafarge
PRT Costa, António Mayor of Lisbon
USA Crocker, Chester A. James R. Schlesinger Professor of Strategic Studies
USA Daschle, Thomas A. Former US Senator and Senate Majority Leader
CAN Desmarais, Jr., Paul Chairman and co-CEO, Power Corporation of Canada
GRC Diamantopoulou, Anna Member of Parliament
USA Donilon, Thomas E. Partner, O'Melveny & Myers
ITA Draghi, Mario Governor, Banca d'Italia
AUT Ederer, Brigitte CEO, Siemens AG Österreich
CAN Edwards, N. Murray Vice Chairman, Candian Natural Resources Limited

DNK Eldrup, Anders President, DONG A/S
ITA Elkann, John Vice Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.
USA Farah, Martha J. Director, Center for Cognitive Neuroscience;
Walter H. Annenberg Professor in the Natural Sciences, University of Pennsylvania
USA Feldstein, Martin S. President and CEO, National Bureau of Economic Research
DEU Fischer, Joschka Former Minister of Foreign Affairs
USA Ford, Jr., Harold E. Vice Chairman, Merill Lynch & Co., Inc.
CHE Forstmoser, Peter Professor for Civil, Corporation and Capital Markets Law, University of Zürich
IRL Gallagher, Paul Attorney General
USA Geithner, Timothy F. President and CEO, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
USA Gigot, Paul Editorial Page Editor, The Wall Street Journal
IRL Gleeson, Dermot Chairman, AIB Group
NLD Goddijn, Harold CEO, TomTom
TUR Gö?ü?, Zeynep Journalist; Founder, EurActiv.com.tr
USA Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company
NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
USA Holbrooke, Richard C. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
FIN Honkapohja, Seppo Member of the Board, Bank of Finland
INT Hoop Scheffer, Jaap G. de Secretary General, NATO
USA Hubbard, Allan B. Chairman, E & A Industries, Inc.
BEL Huyghebaert, Jan Chairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group
DEU Ischinger, Wolfgang Former Ambassador to the UK and US
USA Jacobs, Kenneth Deputy Chairman, Head of Lazard U.S., Lazard Frères & Co. LLC
USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
SWE Johnstone, Tom President and CEO, AB SKF
USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Senior Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC
FRA Jouyet, Jean-Pierre Minister of European Affairs
GBR Kerr, John Member, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc.
USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
DEU Klaeden, Eckart von Foreign Policy Spokesman, CDU/CSU
USA Kleinfeld, Klaus President and COO, Alcoa
TUR Koç, Mustafa Chairman, Koç Holding A.S.
FRA Kodmani, Bassma Director, Arab Reform Initiative
USA Kravis, Henry R. Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc.
INT Kroes, Neelie Commissioner, European Commission
POL Kwasniewski, Aleksander Former President
AUT Leitner, Wolfgang CEO, Andritz AG
ESP León Gross, Bernardino Secretary General, Office of the Prime Minister
INT Mandelson, Peter Commissioner, European Commission
FRA Margerie, Christophe de CEO, Total
CAN Martin, Roger Dean, Joseph L. Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto
HUN Martonyi, János Professor of International Trade Law; Partner, Baker & McKenzie; Former Minister of Foreign Affairs
USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

INT McCreevy, Charlie Commissioner, European Commission
USA McDonough, William J. Vice Chairman and Special Advisor to the Chairman, Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.
CAN McKenna, Frank Deputy Chair, TD Bank Financial Group
GBR McKillop, Tom Chairman, The Royal Bank of Scotland Group
FRA Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations
ITA Monti, Mario President, Universita Commerciale Luigi Bocconi
USA Mundie, Craig J. Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
NOR Myklebust, Egil Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, Norsk Hydro ASA
DEU Nass, Matthias Deputy Editor, Die Zeit
NLD Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the
FRA Ockrent, Christine CEO, French television and radio world service
FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc
SWE Olofsson, Maud Minister of Enterprise and Energy; Deputy Prime Minister
NLD Orange, H.R.H. the Prince of
GBR Osborne, George Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
TUR Öztrak, Faik Member of Parliament
ITA Padoa-Schioppa, Tommaso Former Minister of Finance; President of Notre Europe
GRC Papahelas, Alexis Journalist, Kathimerini
GRC Papalexopoulos, Dimitris CEO, Titan Cement Co. S.A.
USA Paulson, Jr., Henry M. Secretary of the Treasury
USA Pearl, Frank H. Chairman and CEO, Perseus, LLC
USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
FRA Pérol, François Deputy General Secretary in charge of Economic Affairs
DEU Perthes, Volker Director, Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik
BEL Philippe, H.R.H. Prince
CAN Prichard, J. Robert S. President and CEO, Torstar Corporation
CAN Reisman, Heather M. Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
USA Rice, Condoleezza Secretary of State
PRT Rio, Rui Mayor of Porto
USA Rockefeller, David Former Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank
ESP Rodriguez Inciarte, Matias Executive Vice Chairman, Grupo Santander
USA Rose, Charlie Producer, Rose Communications
DNK Rose, Flemming Editor, Jyllands Posten
USA Ross, Dennis B. Counselor and Ziegler Distinguished Fellow, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy
USA Rubin, Barnett R. Director of Studies and Senior Fellow, Center for International Cooperation, New York University
TUR ?ahenk, Ferit Chairman, Do?u? Holding A.?.
USA Sanford, Mark Governor of South Carolina
USA Schmidt, Eric Chairman of the Executive Committee and CEO, Google
AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
DNK Schur, Fritz H. Fritz Schur Gruppen
CZE Schwarzenberg, Karel Minister of Foreign Affairs
USA Sebelius, Kathleen Governor of Kansas
USA Shultz, George P. Thomas W. and Susan B. Ford Distinguished Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University

ESP Spain, H.M. the Queen of
CHE Spillmann, Markus Editor-in-Chief and Head Managing Board, Neue Zürcher Zeitung AG
USA Summers, Lawrence H. Charles W. Eliot Professor, Harvard University
GBR Taylor, J. Martin Chairman, Syngenta International AG
USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC
NLD Timmermans, Frans Minister of European Affairs
RUS Trenin, Dmitri V. Deputy Director and Senior Associate, Carnegie Moscow Center
INT Trichet, Jean-Claude President, European Central Bank
USA Vakil, Sanam Assistant Professor of Middle East Studies, The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University
FRA Valls, Manuel Member of Parliament
GRC Varvitsiotis, Thomas Co-Founder and President, V + O Communication
CHE Vasella, Daniel L. Chairman and CEO, Novartis AG
FIN Väyrynen, Raimo Director, The Finnish Institute of International Affairs
FRA Védrine, Hubert Hubert Védrine Conseil
NOR Vollebaek, Knut High Commissioner on National Minorities, OSCE
SWE Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB
USA Weber, J. Vin CEO, Clark & Weinstock
USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC
USA Wolfowitz, Paul Visiting Scholar, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
INT Zoellick, Robert B. President, The World Bank Group

Rapporteurs
GBR Bredow, Vendeline von Business Correspondent, The Economist
GBR Wooldridge, Adrian D. Foreign Correspondent, The Economist

AUT Austria HUN Hungary
BEL Belgium INT International
CHE Switzerland IRL Ireland
CAN Canada ITA Italy
CZE Czech Republic NOR Norway
DEU Germany NLD Netherlands
DNK Denmark PRT Portugal
ESP Spain POL Poland
FRA France RUS Russia
FIN Finland SWE Sweden
GBR Great Britain TUR Turkey
GRC Greece USA United States of America

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:07 am

So how about some context? i mean, is that part of the book ment to tell what they actually did, or is it part of a bigger picture? i can atleast read it two ways:

1. They are summing up their work methods
2. They are putting Global Warming as an enemy, as part of a bigger metaphore. for example, they might say earlier in the book that what unites people most are wars. and to have a war you need two parts, "your side" and the enemy. But if you put Global warming as the enemy, and believe that global warming is man made, well hey, you are your own enemy.

So what is correct, context wise?

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:01 am

well, you can always read the book yourself. the language is very sneaky though, just like where they call themselves a "global catalyst of change". they're just a think tank, however. Bilderberg employs Club of Rome officially/unoficially to figure out ways to implement the group's priorities and strategies.

they only spoke of using the "threat" of global warming as a method to achieve their aims. it's always explained nicely, whatever they do, in a way that almost makes you think that you asked them to figure it all out for you.

it's easy to be confused by the lovely "noble" language. this is how people are convinced to accept things that aren't good for them in the name of things that are, through wording such as this. it is the "noble" religion, a sacred law that their intentions must be public. the Club of Rome makes it's proclamations every few years and laws are written and television shows, movies music and culture are produced, but there no direct relationship between the Club's writings and official actions. this group has no legislative power or authority beyond the fact that the club's members are heads of banking, education and diplomacy from all the worlds governments.

the way power can work efficiently without seeming to have a central source, where there appears to be true autonomous action between actors and yet IS directed from a central source is called "compartmentalization". it's the reason why government offices are often woefully inneffecient(the different departments are often ridiculously disconnected, no? i know it's not just in the USA).

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:43 am

What, no Australians in the list?

Our big hitters usually leave to wreak their havoc globally, a la Murdoch, i suppose.

Not to mention our lack of population & arable land....

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:14 am

well, you know who was sent there, and the so-called "aboriganals" aren't really interested, for the most part....

never fear, the good ole Club o' Rome has an Aussie associate member. from the club's website:

Mr. Karlson "Charlie" Hargroves Co-Founder and Director
The Natural Edge Project
c/o Griffith University, 170 Kessels Road, Nathan
4111 Queensland
Australia

really, Rupert is an errand-boy.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:24 am

garyb wrote:well, you can always read the book yourself. the language is very sneaky though, just like where they call themselves a "global catalyst of change". they're just a think tank, however. Bilderberg employs Club of Rome officially/unoficially to figure out ways to implement the group's priorities and strategies. ...

yeah, that's why I'm interested - I love that language part... (unfortunately I have a small language difficulty to formulate my own interpretion of the 'book excerpt' above... maybe I'll try later)
the rest of the story is my very own conviction since decades, with or without Bilderbergs or the Club.
You frequently mentioned the shepherd analogy - what makes you so confident exactly that is not what (the majority of) people are looking for ?
ok, they'd never admit their own limited mental abilities... but they follow so passionate and easily...

cheers, Tom

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:33 am

astroman wrote:
garyb wrote:well, you can always read the book yourself. the language is very sneaky though, just like where they call themselves a "global catalyst of change". they're just a think tank, however. Bilderberg employs Club of Rome officially/unoficially to figure out ways to implement the group's priorities and strategies. ...
yeah, that's why I'm interested - I love that language part... (unfortunately I have a small language difficulty to formulate my own interpretion of the 'book excerpt' above... maybe I'll try later)
the rest of the story is my very own conviction since decades, with or without Bilderbergs or the Club.
You frequently mentioned the shepherd analogy - what makes you so confident exactly that is not what (the majority of) people are looking for ?
ok, they'd never admit their own limited mental abilities... but they follow so passionate and easily...

cheers, Tom

Yes, a complicit, brain-washed public is how 'they' get their 'catalyst' going.
Slowly, incrementally, in a compartmentalized way, bit-by-bit, they slowly homogonize us into all being dumbed down sheep.

As long as we keep 'giving power away' to these guys, and their organizations, policies, corporations, etc., then they will just continue on...

SO, possibly the real question is - if they already control the money, population, and ultimately have endless power and reach, then why are they really doing all this evil?

Control of SOULS, possibly?

Greg

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:47 am

has there ever been a time where humans lived in harmony, not striving for power, posession and territory? are you saying this is something that is happening just right now? i allways thought humans were territorial like most other animals. its just the ways of enforcing it that is changing.

nature sucks.

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:50 am

next to nothing wrote:has there ever been a time where humans lived in harmony, not striving for power, posession and territory? are you saying this is something that is happening just right now? i allways thought humans were territorial like most other animals. its just the ways of enforcing it that is changing.

nature sucks.

yes, but these types of groups have been around a long time, and essentially capitalize on our animalistic tendencies.

Greg

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:58 am

next to nothing wrote:has there ever been a time where humans lived in harmony, not striving for power, posession and territory? are you saying this is something that is happening just right now? i allways thought humans were territorial like most other animals. its just the ways of enforcing it that is changing.

nature sucks.

no it doesn't suck.

what sucks is a centuries-old breeding program(the Rich and Powerful have arranged marraiges and only breed amongst each other for a reason) to create psychopaths(rulers who are thought to need to be ruthless, cruel, heatless, without mercy, without conscience) and then having these psychos manipulate nature.

the "when were people nice" thing is a bad arguement and empowerment of evil. first, people OFTEN live well together, YES, there are conflicts, but MOST people don't just want to lord over all others regardless of the suffering. MOST people are good, if mislead. the San people in south Africa(bushmen) are the genetic mothers and fathers of ALL mankind, proved through mitochondrial DNA and other evidence. until the fall of Aparthied, which ironically made it law that their culture was not to be disturbed(it's all over now), lived without strife. they knew nothing of war, except when bronze, iron or technological age man made war for their land. since the San people were completely comfortable on earth, they continued to move south and west until they came to a desert that nobody wanted(they started oceanside between Somalia and Ethiopia). there they live in their stone-age fashion without any grief for thousands and thousands of years. now they live in the city and only mock the old ways for tourists, but they are proof-positive that the elite system is NEW and not basic to our makeup.

people are herd creatures, they cooperate. this must be continually bred and conditioned out of us or used against us in a scientific way.

there's no reason for you to continually defend these reprobates, though. they really aren't doing anything for YOU.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:02 am

astroman wrote:You frequently mentioned the shepherd analogy - what makes you so confident exactly that is not what (the majority of) people are looking for ?

sure, promises of assistance and ease and generations of conditioning will make people confused, weak, and unable to care for themselves. then, they will BEG for a savior. the problem was created over thousands of years and it likely won't be fixed in a night. there's nothing wrong with vising the truth though. none of this "bad" stuff is a necessity.