I have made my first live project for XITE-1 but am stumped somewhat.
There is a picture of what I have so far below in the form of a reply.
Here's what I am trying to do.
3 x vocals, external analog synth, guitar, bass, and a stereo drum mix go direct into the A16U.
The analog synth goes to the V82 mixer, the rest of the signals go the DAS MM.
There each set of wireless ear monitors can have their desired levels from
Wolf's 16 channel mixer, and SpaceF's V82, as well as the other vocals, bass, guitar, and drums.
I do not have those mixers sends connected as it would clutter the below picture, hence I left them out for easier viewing.
Everything works fine but I cannot figure out how to get each indidual wireless ear monitor the signal.
I placed a second ADAT B Destination Module by the IE ( In Ears ) direct outs of the DAS MM.
Shouldn't that be sent to wireless ear monitors reciever's, via the A16U?
I already have the mix out of the DAS MM sent to a stereo in of Wolf's 16 channel mixer, since that would be the mains,
but the individual IE outs are to be heard only in the corresponding ear monitors.
My old FOH is touring abroad, and I cannot get a hold of him.
So I seek the help of more knowledgable chaps, as I am in uncharted waters.
Thanks Very Much.
XITE-1 Wireless Connections
XITE-1 Wireless Connections
Last edited by dawman on Sat May 31, 2008 3:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
.Whats the problem with the actual config?Trying to help with this cool console!
Hey all...
So I've been looking at the mixer in question over at the following thread:
http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20646
The mixer is designed to consolidate FOH and monitor mix for a single operator.
The bottom of the UI contains a fixed view of 16 faders divided into two sets of 8. The first set flips between 8 mono inputs and 8 stereo pairs, and the second set are essentially a master section including faders (1) main stereo FOH (2) a mono stem derived from the main pair (3-8) stereo IE (in ear) pairs, and then flips to control 8 aux sends. For those who may have looked at the patch image above and been confused by the InEar outputs indicated on the mixer, be aware that this mixer is specifically designed to support In-Ears as the monitor mix outs, and so are labeled accordingly.
At the top of the board, there are two rows of buttons. The top row switches the main UI modes. The second follows the channel select buttons, and controls the top (per channel) UI section of the board. Per channel, you have access to Channel View, Signal Flow, In-Ears, and Aux sections, respectively.
I won't rehash the entire thread over there, but the concept is to create a Live sound console to save people the hassles (and presumably DSP inefficiency) of using separate FOH and Monitor mixers, and to have a more elegant way of accessing monitor mix and FOH masters as a single operator...
Depending on one's background, needs, and role, you might prefer to use one of the more traditional consoles, using the aux sends on each channel to control your IE mixes. But I gather that Jimmy V performs while simultaneously running the mix for his groups, and speaking as a guy who also plays in a band, and has confronted the Left/Right brain issues attendant to mixing while playing, I can certainly appreciate his goals in seeking out this console. Also, the IE sections provide their own pre and post inserts. The signal flow section for each channel also includes a very sexy series of meters between each section to assist with gain staging.
As to the question at hand - I gather, Jimmy, that you are having an issue controlling the independence of the sends to the IEs vs the main mix. I suspect the issue has to do with accessing the In-Ear section of each channel to set those levels. The faders at the bottom of the page do not flip between FOH and each of the separate monitor sends, only between the mono ins and the stereo ins in the channel section, and the IE levels in the right section are the master sends for each of those mixes.
To set the levels going from each channel to each IE submix, you would first select the channel (the sel button above the fader) and then pick the In-Ear sub section from the second row of buttons, where you are then presented with levels and pans for each IE stem, 1-6.
Given that I haven't actually used this thing, I'm relying on the pictures to deduce the above - but I think I have it right. Also - if I have not understood the problem correctly, and you are totally versed in the above, please pardon the remedial explanation, and help me better understand the problem at hand.
Hope this helps!
So I've been looking at the mixer in question over at the following thread:
http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20646
The mixer is designed to consolidate FOH and monitor mix for a single operator.
The bottom of the UI contains a fixed view of 16 faders divided into two sets of 8. The first set flips between 8 mono inputs and 8 stereo pairs, and the second set are essentially a master section including faders (1) main stereo FOH (2) a mono stem derived from the main pair (3-8) stereo IE (in ear) pairs, and then flips to control 8 aux sends. For those who may have looked at the patch image above and been confused by the InEar outputs indicated on the mixer, be aware that this mixer is specifically designed to support In-Ears as the monitor mix outs, and so are labeled accordingly.
At the top of the board, there are two rows of buttons. The top row switches the main UI modes. The second follows the channel select buttons, and controls the top (per channel) UI section of the board. Per channel, you have access to Channel View, Signal Flow, In-Ears, and Aux sections, respectively.
I won't rehash the entire thread over there, but the concept is to create a Live sound console to save people the hassles (and presumably DSP inefficiency) of using separate FOH and Monitor mixers, and to have a more elegant way of accessing monitor mix and FOH masters as a single operator...
Depending on one's background, needs, and role, you might prefer to use one of the more traditional consoles, using the aux sends on each channel to control your IE mixes. But I gather that Jimmy V performs while simultaneously running the mix for his groups, and speaking as a guy who also plays in a band, and has confronted the Left/Right brain issues attendant to mixing while playing, I can certainly appreciate his goals in seeking out this console. Also, the IE sections provide their own pre and post inserts. The signal flow section for each channel also includes a very sexy series of meters between each section to assist with gain staging.
As to the question at hand - I gather, Jimmy, that you are having an issue controlling the independence of the sends to the IEs vs the main mix. I suspect the issue has to do with accessing the In-Ear section of each channel to set those levels. The faders at the bottom of the page do not flip between FOH and each of the separate monitor sends, only between the mono ins and the stereo ins in the channel section, and the IE levels in the right section are the master sends for each of those mixes.
To set the levels going from each channel to each IE submix, you would first select the channel (the sel button above the fader) and then pick the In-Ear sub section from the second row of buttons, where you are then presented with levels and pans for each IE stem, 1-6.
Given that I haven't actually used this thing, I'm relying on the pictures to deduce the above - but I think I have it right. Also - if I have not understood the problem correctly, and you are totally versed in the above, please pardon the remedial explanation, and help me better understand the problem at hand.
Hope this helps!
Last edited by ErichG on Sat May 31, 2008 7:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Almost forgot...
I also wanted to compliment the DAS developers on a very elegant design!
Holy Shit !!!
I got it working.
I have been clicking off the channel enable button from an old CC that;s being sent by accident.
It would stay on and then go off. I thought that was the nornal way it activates. Kind of strange I thought.
At any rate I have to go in and redo all of the MIDI CC's on the KS88.
It will control all 6 AUX's, the stero master send, and the mono semd w/ it's faders. Then I can use the knobs for individual IE sends and effects.
Phhewww !!!
I have been on this all day.
BTW Erich,
I can say that the JHA's work flawlessley. I mixed all 4 of them up and had to stick 'em all in my ears to find the ones that were siliconed for me.
The 3 way stereo drivers sound excellent. These are actually designed for high rollers and their private Lear jets, but I can say that these Dogs Hunt.
Gotta Go Thanks.
I am dying to hear some crazy delays, and the PCM91.
I really suck as a vocalist, that's why I always do the songs where the vocalists themselves suck, like the Doors, Billy Idol.
What I find amazing about his 3 way stereo driver design is that my analog synth is super tubby, but it sounds great so far. No unweildy lows buzzing or anything.
It could be SpaceF's kick butt Limiter LimFat too. It puts all of my synths in the perfect spots.
I will let you know how they are working later, but so far they sound really good.
http://www.planetz.com/forums/download.php?id=2984
I got it working.
I have been clicking off the channel enable button from an old CC that;s being sent by accident.
It would stay on and then go off. I thought that was the nornal way it activates. Kind of strange I thought.
At any rate I have to go in and redo all of the MIDI CC's on the KS88.
It will control all 6 AUX's, the stero master send, and the mono semd w/ it's faders. Then I can use the knobs for individual IE sends and effects.
Phhewww !!!
I have been on this all day.
BTW Erich,
I can say that the JHA's work flawlessley. I mixed all 4 of them up and had to stick 'em all in my ears to find the ones that were siliconed for me.
The 3 way stereo drivers sound excellent. These are actually designed for high rollers and their private Lear jets, but I can say that these Dogs Hunt.
Gotta Go Thanks.
I am dying to hear some crazy delays, and the PCM91.
I really suck as a vocalist, that's why I always do the songs where the vocalists themselves suck, like the Doors, Billy Idol.
What I find amazing about his 3 way stereo driver design is that my analog synth is super tubby, but it sounds great so far. No unweildy lows buzzing or anything.
It could be SpaceF's kick butt Limiter LimFat too. It puts all of my synths in the perfect spots.
I will let you know how they are working later, but so far they sound really good.
http://www.planetz.com/forums/download.php?id=2984
Last edited by dawman on Sat May 31, 2008 7:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Yeah Brotha'.
Olive and Eric have quite a few nifty devices but this mixer came from long time experience in FOH / Monitor work.
There's a talk back feature that mutes the Mains, and M/S Decoders built in also.
I just love it everything works.
I was getting ready to hit the Jagermeister...I really would have screwed things up.
Thanks Erich. I knew a guy like you with tons of experience with automation mixers and other high tech gear could save my lame ass.
Olive and Eric have quite a few nifty devices but this mixer came from long time experience in FOH / Monitor work.
There's a talk back feature that mutes the Mains, and M/S Decoders built in also.
I just love it everything works.
I was getting ready to hit the Jagermeister...I really would have screwed things up.
Thanks Erich. I knew a guy like you with tons of experience with automation mixers and other high tech gear could save my lame ass.
Don't you just hate it when that happens!
This actually brings us back the OSC thing... but we can take that up another day..
I was thinking maybe your FOH guy usually set up the board... sorry for the long winded explanation of what you are intimately familiar with, lol.
As to the headset - super cool!
Would love to compare his new design to the sensas someday. I've found the sensa's very musical - they're a two way design which other's compared favorably to the UE three way design (I think the UE10s are three way... but it's been a while).
Once I get my Xite.. I'll definitely be interested in playing with the DAS board.. My plan has been to use BFC2000s to let the players adjust their own mixes.. so the horn section (all two of them) would share one, and one of the function buttons will flip between each of their mixes. Until you clued me into this console, I've been planning on just throwing DSP at lots of sub mixers
That would be fine - but I am very impressed, especially, by their groovy metering concept... love the idea of being able to glance at the screen and really SEE what's going on with that kind of feedback.
Anyway - we have similar goals in terms of being able to run a good mix without a giant crew... I have some other ideas about tracking shows, then refining the mix in post.. and using convolution to, in essence, normalize each of our venues...
I was thinking maybe your FOH guy usually set up the board... sorry for the long winded explanation of what you are intimately familiar with, lol.
As to the headset - super cool!
Would love to compare his new design to the sensas someday. I've found the sensa's very musical - they're a two way design which other's compared favorably to the UE three way design (I think the UE10s are three way... but it's been a while).
Once I get my Xite.. I'll definitely be interested in playing with the DAS board.. My plan has been to use BFC2000s to let the players adjust their own mixes.. so the horn section (all two of them) would share one, and one of the function buttons will flip between each of their mixes. Until you clued me into this console, I've been planning on just throwing DSP at lots of sub mixers
That would be fine - but I am very impressed, especially, by their groovy metering concept... love the idea of being able to glance at the screen and really SEE what's going on with that kind of feedback.Anyway - we have similar goals in terms of being able to run a good mix without a giant crew... I have some other ideas about tracking shows, then refining the mix in post.. and using convolution to, in essence, normalize each of our venues...
I would love to see what you get going, keep me posted please.
I even have an interest in 5.1, which I hope they are working on.
All 3 of the custom mixers are fantastic. Each having their own benefits, and very complimentary to each other.
I have a 32 channel version of Wolf's 16, and SpaceF's collection of mixers is outstanding for synths and MIDI control.
A year ago I never would have dreamed that I would able to combine all of these priceless puppies.
I would love to hear the Sensa's sometime. They were the UE10's only real competitor in quality and design.
I have no idea what JH will be charging for his headset combos, but I am eternally grateful for his continued support. I doubt I would ever shell out 6 to 10 large for these 4 sets.
Good Luck 2 U Brotha' Man Erich.
I even have an interest in 5.1, which I hope they are working on.
All 3 of the custom mixers are fantastic. Each having their own benefits, and very complimentary to each other.
I have a 32 channel version of Wolf's 16, and SpaceF's collection of mixers is outstanding for synths and MIDI control.
A year ago I never would have dreamed that I would able to combine all of these priceless puppies.
I would love to hear the Sensa's sometime. They were the UE10's only real competitor in quality and design.
I have no idea what JH will be charging for his headset combos, but I am eternally grateful for his continued support. I doubt I would ever shell out 6 to 10 large for these 4 sets.
Good Luck 2 U Brotha' Man Erich.
Intel DP35DP
Intel E6850
4 GB ( 2 x 2GB DDR2 ) RAM
EVGA GeForce 6800GT
WD360G O.S. + Apps.
WD740 GigaPulse IR's + VDAT
WD1500 Giga Content / VSTi Content
WD3000 Giga Content / VSTi Content
XP Home Edition SP2
BTW, I cannot use the 3GB PAE Switch w/ Gigastudio 4, so when I boot up, I choose the standard O.S. choice.
I noticed that I cannot avhieve the same amount of delay plugs in Scope since I had to revert back to the standard boot up of XP.
I had 8 Delays in the above synths / mixers, 2 x DSP Reverbs, and 2 hardware reverbs.
It occasionally freezes during excessive QWave use, where the long tails of Celmo's Tape Simulator get used.
The above project is a good start for XITE-1. The synths will be allowed more polyphony, the mixers will get more plug ins.
I had never tried to load those 3 synths at once in a project before. I was shocked that they played well together.
2 voices on the Bowen Synths, and 6 voices ( 2 x per synth ) on Multi-Synth.
I see no need to upgrade, other than buy 4 GB ( 2 x GB DDR 2 ) more when I go to XP64 bit / Vista this month.
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Intel E6850
4 GB ( 2 x 2GB DDR2 ) RAM
EVGA GeForce 6800GT
WD360G O.S. + Apps.
WD740 GigaPulse IR's + VDAT
WD1500 Giga Content / VSTi Content
WD3000 Giga Content / VSTi Content
XP Home Edition SP2
BTW, I cannot use the 3GB PAE Switch w/ Gigastudio 4, so when I boot up, I choose the standard O.S. choice.
I noticed that I cannot avhieve the same amount of delay plugs in Scope since I had to revert back to the standard boot up of XP.
I had 8 Delays in the above synths / mixers, 2 x DSP Reverbs, and 2 hardware reverbs.
It occasionally freezes during excessive QWave use, where the long tails of Celmo's Tape Simulator get used.
The above project is a good start for XITE-1. The synths will be allowed more polyphony, the mixers will get more plug ins.
I had never tried to load those 3 synths at once in a project before. I was shocked that they played well together.
2 voices on the Bowen Synths, and 6 voices ( 2 x per synth ) on Multi-Synth.
I see no need to upgrade, other than buy 4 GB ( 2 x GB DDR 2 ) more when I go to XP64 bit / Vista this month.
Τα λέμε.