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Catharsis is all well and good. But I really don't see the point if it doesn't bring anything new to the table. It just ends up as self-indulgent masturbation. Or just taking a big smelly dump. Keep the shit in your own bathroom is what I'm saying. If you choose to display your creation to the world, it better have some value, something new to offer - not necessarily didactic. Otherwise, people who aren't fooled by the slick photography and shallow, sledgehammer emotions are going to rip it apart, and rightly so.
that's great, you feel a positive response, but you're not the veiwer that matters in this case. it's the youth that is targeted. this is also how wars are fought. the youth feel indestructable and they are ignorant so they make perfect soldiers. this isn't hypothetical, it's the world you live in and no belief either way will change that fact...and obviously, you have no idea what i'm talking about when i say "mark of Cain", so it kinda doesn't make sense to argue that point.alfonso wrote:
Sorry but if this video had a positive influence on me and made me feel my responsibilities as a citizen, this is a non-wanted accidental effect, while the hypothetical (that I don't recognize as real) effect of making these kids worst than what they are already is wanted instead?
I don't think that we are in presence of marks of Cain or whatsoever, we just have a work that describes reality, in a way that I see as genuinely concerned about it.
That reality is not caused by these works, it is caused by the sensation of having no future to work for. That is much stronger than anything else.
like i said, i live where that film is. my homies come from Long Beach and Watts and Compton and East St Louis and Wilmington, all ghettos just like the one in the film. there are no maps sold in the stores here....
This is where I disagree. The violent youth won't change it's mind with or without this video. Other causes are behind their behavior.garyb wrote: that's great, you feel a positive response, but you're not the veiwer that matters in this case. it's the youth that is targeted. .
Those who have to change their mind are the "good people", those who live far where you are living. Those who definitely are conditioned to accept the things as they are, the methods that are used, the wars that are fought. Those make the difference for the decisions that are taken, their acquiescence is what perpetuates the present. So welcome whatever disturbs them a bit.
This is how I see it, it's a different anthropological analysis from yours, that's not a drama , right?
of course it's not a drama...
actually what's pictured in the clip isn't that different from stuff I remember from my own youth. Occasionally a motorcycle gang would show up at one or the other pub and leave it devasted (more or less), you'd better avoid certain streets at nighttime and so on...
but while in those days the risk was acceptable - you ended with a black eye and maybe a few teeth less, today your chances are much worse - fatality isn't unusual anymore
to be honest, I don't consider myself a cat - I don't have nine lives, but only this single one (which I would defend with all means against such scumbags)
I had to grow up from a pretty f*cked up environment, too - and noone helped me either - so I really don't care about any unfortunate childhood bla bla.
It is in their own responsibility to start thinking and work something out
instead of hanging out the 'easy way' of the street with all it's primitive forms of 'strength in the horde' and big mouth talk.
Imho too much appreciation for a social situation is fueling the very same in the end
there is a line and if you step across (like those kids do) you should be aware that someone might hit you harder than you ever dreamed of...
those kids with (supposedly) no perspective - what do they risk if acting like in this clip ?
nothing - but a couple of months locked away, or a couple of years for the real bad ones - to complete your thug career... or what ?
cheers, Tom
actually what's pictured in the clip isn't that different from stuff I remember from my own youth. Occasionally a motorcycle gang would show up at one or the other pub and leave it devasted (more or less), you'd better avoid certain streets at nighttime and so on...
but while in those days the risk was acceptable - you ended with a black eye and maybe a few teeth less, today your chances are much worse - fatality isn't unusual anymore
to be honest, I don't consider myself a cat - I don't have nine lives, but only this single one (which I would defend with all means against such scumbags)
I had to grow up from a pretty f*cked up environment, too - and noone helped me either - so I really don't care about any unfortunate childhood bla bla.
It is in their own responsibility to start thinking and work something out
instead of hanging out the 'easy way' of the street with all it's primitive forms of 'strength in the horde' and big mouth talk.
Imho too much appreciation for a social situation is fueling the very same in the end
there is a line and if you step across (like those kids do) you should be aware that someone might hit you harder than you ever dreamed of...
those kids with (supposedly) no perspective - what do they risk if acting like in this clip ?
nothing - but a couple of months locked away, or a couple of years for the real bad ones - to complete your thug career... or what ?
cheers, Tom
exactly.
according to that video, there are NO consequences for someone who is heartless and aggressive enough. that message is loud and clear.
as to the "good" people who live far from there, they'll just be convinced that nuking the whole area is the best solution to the "bad seeds".
but no, no actual drama between you and i Alfonso. i couldn't hate you personally for disagreeing.
according to that video, there are NO consequences for someone who is heartless and aggressive enough. that message is loud and clear.
as to the "good" people who live far from there, they'll just be convinced that nuking the whole area is the best solution to the "bad seeds".
but no, no actual drama between you and i Alfonso. i couldn't hate you personally for disagreeing.
I have to agree with Gary here.
This is not innocent, to me it seems a lot more like a trigger strimulus or desensitization than anythig else. BTW, these are actual regular psychological-manipulation techniques, not some paranoid delusions. You learn about these things in college, and how to use them in a therapy context, so it's pretty easy to see what's trying to be accomplished here, at a macro level.
As for how artistic it is, as far as I'm concerned, this is nothing. The director could have made ANYTHING and came up with this... sad. How it integrates with the times we live in (another intricate aspect of what "art" is) is also interesting - just another person interested in bringing down the apocalypse.
Young kids are very sensitive to this sort of imagery, and this only serves to teach them the techniques of chaos, and promote fear on the general population. This is what the artist thought would be nice to give to the world.
Is this a good solution to the world's problems, or did watching this video help you in your life in any way?
Power to the people, yes, but to all the people!
T
This is not innocent, to me it seems a lot more like a trigger strimulus or desensitization than anythig else. BTW, these are actual regular psychological-manipulation techniques, not some paranoid delusions. You learn about these things in college, and how to use them in a therapy context, so it's pretty easy to see what's trying to be accomplished here, at a macro level.
As for how artistic it is, as far as I'm concerned, this is nothing. The director could have made ANYTHING and came up with this... sad. How it integrates with the times we live in (another intricate aspect of what "art" is) is also interesting - just another person interested in bringing down the apocalypse.
Young kids are very sensitive to this sort of imagery, and this only serves to teach them the techniques of chaos, and promote fear on the general population. This is what the artist thought would be nice to give to the world.
Is this a good solution to the world's problems, or did watching this video help you in your life in any way?
Power to the people, yes, but to all the people!
T