NOTE: the views expressed in this post are the point of view of the writer and the writer alone, and he wishes not to impose them upon anyone, even if he is convinced of their truthfulness.
Non-violence is great!!! Without it there is no peace. I think that giving up all resentment, jealousy, irritation, hate, intolerance, etc, is the only way to free ourselves from the torture of war, both individually and collectively.
I'm a firm advocate of vegeterianism, which I have been for 15 years. I don't think mankind will ever cut itself free from the savage desires to kill and fight as long as people insist on eating violently slaugtered animals. There's no way out of it, we'll have to make up our minds.
Kindness, gentleness, complete honesty, a constantly loving and encouraging attitude are the way to go to create harmonious relations, with each other and ourselves. That doesn't exclude being positive and firm when we need to, but even this can be done in a spirit of compassion. Compassion is the only way to completely disagree with someone and remain as friendly as if you were totally agreeing.
Of course, freeing ourselves from violence can't be done if we insist on commiting violence against our own bodies by absorbing intoxicating substances like alcohol, drugs, tobacco, red meat... How on Earth are we to have peace if the people stay at war with their own bodies and pollute their bloodstream?? We'll have to make up our minds, there's no avoiding a purification of the body along with an emotional cleansing. Otherwise there is no peace...
Now, if you disagree with me, can you do it compassionately, please?? I'm not getting into a fight over this with those who seem to hardly know any other way to deal with each other... Can we stay calm 5 minutes here? Please?
E
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Those are nice thoughts, however, Life for some is a curse, a struggle for survival that it is hard to comprehend by people like you, shielded from the ugly reality of this world.eliam wrote:
Most people are so busy regurgitating and chewing over the same illusions that they forget there's anything else out there, that Life blesses them every moment, that they have nice positive things to build to inspire and help the people around them...
It is hard to stay calm seeing this misery is it? Don't you want to get the people responsible for this misery and do violence to them?
If I hear you one more time regurgitating the "greateness of life blessings" I will politely ask you to shove it up your ass.
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nice reaction - so much for non-violence.
Greg
actually, let me edit this, so that I'm not reacting to the reaction.
ALL beings are inherently sovereign ((again, distinct from any religious or 'elitist' hijacking of the terminology and definition)
It CAN be said that all beings are blessed - whether or not their living situations represent that or not is the problem.
Yes, the people/organizations (yes, mostly 'globabalists' mentioned in parallel threads) that are to blamed for the impoverishment of others need to be eradicated from the world.
But physically attacking those responsible for the slavery and impoverishment of others only gives them an excuse to counter-attack with much more force than those impoverished, enslaved people could ever have. In most cases these are enslaved, unarmed, civilizations that have no hope in getting out of their situations due to their separation from the people/organizations doing wrong to them.
The only way to cut these people/organizations off is to STOP FUNDING them, STOP EMPOWERING them, STOP SUPPORTING them, and stop working for them.
Diamonds, illicit drugs, cheap labor, child labor, pollution, GMO's, oil companies, etc. etc. are all to blame for the impoverishment of others.
I went down to New Orleans after Katrina to help a friend recover his property, and the whole situation down there REALLY, REALLY pissed me off. And I mean, ready to kill without hesitation type of anger. Now all the gambling casinos are taking over (along with the mafia), and it almost makes you pray for another Hurricane to wipe them all away again.
Again, it's most often the person/organization that benefits the most, that is the culprit.
But telling someone to shove it up their ass because you THINK or believe they are living in lala land, and come off sounding like you have NO compassion for your fellow man, distinct from the compassion you feel for the impoverished is part of the mind-game.
I'm just trying to make a point as to how twisted this all gets. Governments passing 'hate laws' to prevent people from expressing their opposition to war, poverty, environment, etc. is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE and actually breeds more hate. (which may be what they're after - to justify more and more heavily armed police (or UN troops on US soil) to shoot down unarmed men on their wedding night - such as what just happened in New York - shooting a guy 50 times, give me a break - how are they training these cops?.
Anyways, IMO it's great holding out the possibility that ALL beings will eventually live a blessed life, but we have a long way to go.
Greg
Greg
actually, let me edit this, so that I'm not reacting to the reaction.
ALL beings are inherently sovereign ((again, distinct from any religious or 'elitist' hijacking of the terminology and definition)
It CAN be said that all beings are blessed - whether or not their living situations represent that or not is the problem.
Yes, the people/organizations (yes, mostly 'globabalists' mentioned in parallel threads) that are to blamed for the impoverishment of others need to be eradicated from the world.
But physically attacking those responsible for the slavery and impoverishment of others only gives them an excuse to counter-attack with much more force than those impoverished, enslaved people could ever have. In most cases these are enslaved, unarmed, civilizations that have no hope in getting out of their situations due to their separation from the people/organizations doing wrong to them.
The only way to cut these people/organizations off is to STOP FUNDING them, STOP EMPOWERING them, STOP SUPPORTING them, and stop working for them.
Diamonds, illicit drugs, cheap labor, child labor, pollution, GMO's, oil companies, etc. etc. are all to blame for the impoverishment of others.
I went down to New Orleans after Katrina to help a friend recover his property, and the whole situation down there REALLY, REALLY pissed me off. And I mean, ready to kill without hesitation type of anger. Now all the gambling casinos are taking over (along with the mafia), and it almost makes you pray for another Hurricane to wipe them all away again.
Again, it's most often the person/organization that benefits the most, that is the culprit.
But telling someone to shove it up their ass because you THINK or believe they are living in lala land, and come off sounding like you have NO compassion for your fellow man, distinct from the compassion you feel for the impoverished is part of the mind-game.
I'm just trying to make a point as to how twisted this all gets. Governments passing 'hate laws' to prevent people from expressing their opposition to war, poverty, environment, etc. is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE and actually breeds more hate. (which may be what they're after - to justify more and more heavily armed police (or UN troops on US soil) to shoot down unarmed men on their wedding night - such as what just happened in New York - shooting a guy 50 times, give me a break - how are they training these cops?.
Anyways, IMO it's great holding out the possibility that ALL beings will eventually live a blessed life, but we have a long way to go.
Greg
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Two Wolves
One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on
inside all people. He said, 'My son, the battle is between two 'wolves'
inside us all.
One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance,
self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority,
and ego.
The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility,
kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.'
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather:
'Which wolf wins?'
The old Cherokee simply replied, 'The one you feed.'
One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on
inside all people. He said, 'My son, the battle is between two 'wolves'
inside us all.
One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance,
self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority,
and ego.
The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility,
kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.'
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather:
'Which wolf wins?'
The old Cherokee simply replied, 'The one you feed.'
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yes. we should definitly do something about this. if people are actively causing hurt to these people we should stop it.BingoTheClowno wrote:
Those are nice thoughts, however, Life for some is a curse, a struggle for survival that it is hard to comprehend by people like you, shielded from the ugly reality of this world.
It is hard to stay calm seeing this misery is it? Don't you want to get the people responsible for this misery and do violence to them?
If I hear you one more time regurgitating the "greateness of life blessings" I will politely ask you to shove it up your ass.
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The wolves' tale is excellent and so true that indeed a 5 years old won't have any problem to fully understand it!
...Unlike the stubbornness of those who hate those who try to be compassionate... I'm not surprised at your reaction bingo, it shows your arrogance and I trust Life will bring you the teachings necessary to let go of this terrible bitterness and hate. I'm sure it will! Then maybe you'll understand that you spit in the face of people who care about your well-being and the well-being of every being. I think your black emotional clouds prevent you to see this right now and you truly make yourself miserable and I think it's unfortunate.
Good luck with your life, I wish you well you know, you can throw rocks at me all you please, I'll keep the same discourse until my last breath!
Love your neighbours, love your nation, love your enemies! Then you stop being at war inside and feed the good wolf!
E
...Unlike the stubbornness of those who hate those who try to be compassionate... I'm not surprised at your reaction bingo, it shows your arrogance and I trust Life will bring you the teachings necessary to let go of this terrible bitterness and hate. I'm sure it will! Then maybe you'll understand that you spit in the face of people who care about your well-being and the well-being of every being. I think your black emotional clouds prevent you to see this right now and you truly make yourself miserable and I think it's unfortunate.
Good luck with your life, I wish you well you know, you can throw rocks at me all you please, I'll keep the same discourse until my last breath!
Love your neighbours, love your nation, love your enemies! Then you stop being at war inside and feed the good wolf!
E
No .... dont love your enemies....
They are your enemies.... hate you enemies with a passion ...
If you love your enemies, it makes you weak.. And its all well to talk about love, but I ask how can you possibly really know love unless you also know hate.
What is silence, without noise, or peace without war etc.
So NO.... stop the hippy crap and learn to live with hate, instead of stifling it, alowing it to boil up, hidde, under the surface. This can only cause emotional problems. Let free you anger, resentment and hate. Hate is good. Without hate nothing would ever chenge, its hate that drives progress, if everyone loved everything all the time, then whats the point in trying to make anything better.
Damn
Hate you enemies. Love you dear ones
They are your enemies.... hate you enemies with a passion ...
If you love your enemies, it makes you weak.. And its all well to talk about love, but I ask how can you possibly really know love unless you also know hate.
What is silence, without noise, or peace without war etc.
So NO.... stop the hippy crap and learn to live with hate, instead of stifling it, alowing it to boil up, hidde, under the surface. This can only cause emotional problems. Let free you anger, resentment and hate. Hate is good. Without hate nothing would ever chenge, its hate that drives progress, if everyone loved everything all the time, then whats the point in trying to make anything better.
Damn
Hate you enemies. Love you dear ones
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Me$$iah wrote:No .... dont love your enemies....
They are your enemies.... hate you enemies with a passion ...
If you love your enemies, it makes you weak.. And its all well to talk about love, but I ask how can you possibly really know love unless you also know hate.
What is silence, without noise, or peace without war etc.
So NO.... stop the hippy crap and learn to live with hate, instead of stifling it, alowing it to boil up, hidde, under the surface. This can only cause emotional problems. Let free you anger, resentment and hate. Hate is good. Without hate nothing would ever chenge, its hate that drives progress, if everyone loved everything all the time, then whats the point in trying to make anything better.
Damn
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Why should you care if he's a hippy and 'full of crap'? Does this somehow maintain or justify your reality? I presume so, and that's OK for now.
One main reason I compose and play music, is to help release the emotions of life - including hate.
I hate the haters - how's that?
Damn!
G
Hate you enemies. Love you dear ones
I understand your reluctance to this idea. I'm not saying that we should sit there and do nothing, not at all! We need to be firm and positive and refuse to accept anymore destruction, but this has to be done with a compassionate heart, otherwise nothing is solved. If your goal is to continue to fuel wars and destroy everything that's left, then yes hate is the way to go!
"An eye for an eye and the whole world ends up blind"...
This is not so hard a concept to grasp I think... If someone strikes you, then defend yourself, that's just normal. But if you hate in return then you'll be resentful and hateful and seek revenge and then the war starts and there's no one telling when it will stop. Do you think your enemy will stop the hostilities if you just retaliate and try to harm him in return? Someone has to stop it at some point, why not us, why not now?
On the other hand if you bear in mind that the agressor is the one so enmeshed in his own fear that he doesn't see any other way than to hate and attack and blame others for his own inadequacy and pain, will you help anything by mimicking the agressor' behaviour and doing the exact same thing that he's doing to you?? Excuse me but this logic is dangerous beyond description and probably contributes A WHOLE LOT to the warring conditions on this planet.
Look, I'll say that with firmness and compassion: get your head straight my friend, because justifying hate is justifying war, and justifying war is justifying horrors that we have to abolish from this lovely planet of ours, ASAP!
And please spare me your hippy crap thing and try to learn something outside of your own misguided and flawed conceptions! I have no use for your condescending BS. Thank you.
"An eye for an eye and the whole world ends up blind"...
This is not so hard a concept to grasp I think... If someone strikes you, then defend yourself, that's just normal. But if you hate in return then you'll be resentful and hateful and seek revenge and then the war starts and there's no one telling when it will stop. Do you think your enemy will stop the hostilities if you just retaliate and try to harm him in return? Someone has to stop it at some point, why not us, why not now?
On the other hand if you bear in mind that the agressor is the one so enmeshed in his own fear that he doesn't see any other way than to hate and attack and blame others for his own inadequacy and pain, will you help anything by mimicking the agressor' behaviour and doing the exact same thing that he's doing to you?? Excuse me but this logic is dangerous beyond description and probably contributes A WHOLE LOT to the warring conditions on this planet.
Look, I'll say that with firmness and compassion: get your head straight my friend, because justifying hate is justifying war, and justifying war is justifying horrors that we have to abolish from this lovely planet of ours, ASAP!
And please spare me your hippy crap thing and try to learn something outside of your own misguided and flawed conceptions! I have no use for your condescending BS. Thank you.