non violence

Post by **garyb** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:09 pm

feet on the ground, though.

i can't help it if i'm tall.......

Zer · Post by **Zer** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:27 pm

garyb wrote:zer, that's the biggest bunch of crap ever.

it's not the genome, it's culture. yes, there is 'natural violence", but the rest is something made of imagination and the genome is not the source of ideas...

You are believing. Believing excludes knowledge. So mybe tht`s the status you want.
Ask an up to date US neurobiologican to get a sense of the truth. You will be surprised.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:04 pm

There are inherited personality traits.

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:50 pm

BingoTheClowno wrote:
Francis wrote: As time goes by a light vibration occurs with small waves, caused by subtle desire, Vasana.
That's hard to picture.

Your argument is flawed

Post by **garyb** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:48 pm

Zer wrote:
garyb wrote:zer, that's the biggest bunch of crap ever.

it's not the genome, it's culture. yes, there is 'natural violence", but the rest is something made of imagination and the genome is not the source of ideas...
You are believing. Believing excludes knowledge. So mybe tht`s the status you want.
Ask an up to date US neurobiologican to get a sense of the truth. You will be surprised.

up to date US neurobiologicans(or neurobiologists) don't know everything, either. the wiring is there, the behavior can be modified through understanding the wiring. humans are not naturally violent. the Bushmen or San people were the proof. they with the root genetic stock of all humans had no murder or insanity. they lived in complete harmony with their environment, just like a fish in the sea, a wolf, a mountain goat, a bird.....right up until the fall of apartheid in south africa in THIS man's lifetime.

you are believing.

Post by **garyb** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:50 pm

FrancisHarmany wrote:
BingoTheClowno wrote: That's hard to picture.
Your argument is flawed

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:01 am

FrancisHarmany wrote:
BingoTheClowno wrote:
Francis wrote: As time goes by a light vibration occurs with small waves, caused by subtle desire, Vasana.
That's hard to picture.
Your argument is flawed

OK, that's better.

Post by **garyb** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:54 pm

that's like saying if you don't believe in the sun, it doesn't exist.

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:24 pm

If we wouldn't believe in the theorical possibility that we can manifest the unmanifest in a future moment, then how would we build anything? If the most brilliant mind would have listened to the "unbelievers" and "nay-sayers" around, then we would have had no Gandhi, Michelangelo, Beethoven, etc. And if we don't allow ourselves to believe that a better, less violent, more harmonious world is possible, then who on Earth will dream it in our stead???

Most people are so busy regurgitating and chewing over the same illusions that they forget there's anything else out there, that Life blesses them every moment, that they have nice positive things to build to inspire and help the people around them...

I don't mean to be critical, because I care about you all, but you guys are pathetic. For once a thread starts with a genuine compassionate impulse, the absolutely magnificent idea to speak about transmuting the world into a more sane place, and all you figure out to do is to discharge your intolerance and doubt and half-witted theories about why there should always be violence and this and that... Wow... Haven't we had like 100 threads where that same crap has been rehashed ad-nauseam... ?

It's not everyone for sure, and as I said, I love you all, there's no question about it, but couldn't we lean on a more constructive, cheerful, enthusiastic, juvenile hopefulness about the idea to get along peacefully with each other?

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:44 pm

NOTE: the views expressed in this post are the point of view of the writer and the writer alone, and he wishes not to impose them upon anyone, even if he is convinced of their truthfulness.

Non-violence is great!!! Without it there is no peace. I think that giving up all resentment, jealousy, irritation, hate, intolerance, etc, is the only way to free ourselves from the torture of war, both individually and collectively.

I'm a firm advocate of vegeterianism, which I have been for 15 years. I don't think mankind will ever cut itself free from the savage desires to kill and fight as long as people insist on eating violently slaugtered animals. There's no way out of it, we'll have to make up our minds.

Kindness, gentleness, complete honesty, a constantly loving and encouraging attitude are the way to go to create harmonious relations, with each other and ourselves. That doesn't exclude being positive and firm when we need to, but even this can be done in a spirit of compassion. Compassion is the only way to completely disagree with someone and remain as friendly as if you were totally agreeing.

Of course, freeing ourselves from violence can't be done if we insist on commiting violence against our own bodies by absorbing intoxicating substances like alcohol, drugs, tobacco, red meat... How on Earth are we to have peace if the people stay at war with their own bodies and pollute their bloodstream?? We'll have to make up our minds, there's no avoiding a purification of the body along with an emotional cleansing. Otherwise there is no peace...

Now, if you disagree with me, can you do it compassionately, please?? I'm not getting into a fight over this with those who seem to hardly know any other way to deal with each other... Can we stay calm 5 minutes here? Please?

E

Me$$iah · Post by **Me$$iah** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:51 pm

hippy

Post by **garyb** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:26 am

whose non comfort zone?

Post by **garyb** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:22 am

there is a big difference between an adept and a sheep, by definition.

perhaps there IS a language problem. if not, then you need to immediately STOP purposely mis-characterizing my posts.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:56 pm

ok, you defined yourself as such....

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:26 pm

garyb wrote:whose non comfort zone?

yeah, really....

Greg

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:27 pm

eliam wrote:
Most people are so busy regurgitating and chewing over the same illusions that they forget there's anything else out there, that Life blesses them every moment, that they have nice positive things to build to inspire and help the people around them...

Those are nice thoughts, however, Life for some is a curse, a struggle for survival that it is hard to comprehend by people like you, shielded from the ugly reality of this world.

It is hard to stay calm seeing this misery is it? Don't you want to get the people responsible for this misery and do violence to them?
If I hear you one more time regurgitating the "greateness of life blessings" I will politely ask you to shove it up your ass.

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:33 pm

nice reaction - so much for non-violence.

Greg

actually, let me edit this, so that I'm not reacting to the reaction.

ALL beings are inherently sovereign ((again, distinct from any religious or 'elitist' hijacking of the terminology and definition)
It CAN be said that all beings are blessed - whether or not their living situations represent that or not is the problem.
Yes, the people/organizations (yes, mostly 'globabalists' mentioned in parallel threads) that are to blamed for the impoverishment of others need to be eradicated from the world.
But physically attacking those responsible for the slavery and impoverishment of others only gives them an excuse to counter-attack with much more force than those impoverished, enslaved people could ever have. In most cases these are enslaved, unarmed, civilizations that have no hope in getting out of their situations due to their separation from the people/organizations doing wrong to them.
The only way to cut these people/organizations off is to STOP FUNDING them, STOP EMPOWERING them, STOP SUPPORTING them, and stop working for them.

Diamonds, illicit drugs, cheap labor, child labor, pollution, GMO's, oil companies, etc. etc. are all to blame for the impoverishment of others.

I went down to New Orleans after Katrina to help a friend recover his property, and the whole situation down there REALLY, REALLY pissed me off. And I mean, ready to kill without hesitation type of anger. Now all the gambling casinos are taking over (along with the mafia), and it almost makes you pray for another Hurricane to wipe them all away again.

Again, it's most often the person/organization that benefits the most, that is the culprit.

But telling someone to shove it up their ass because you THINK or believe they are living in lala land, and come off sounding like you have NO compassion for your fellow man, distinct from the compassion you feel for the impoverished is part of the mind-game.

I'm just trying to make a point as to how twisted this all gets. Governments passing 'hate laws' to prevent people from expressing their opposition to war, poverty, environment, etc. is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE and actually breeds more hate. (which may be what they're after - to justify more and more heavily armed police (or UN troops on US soil) to shoot down unarmed men on their wedding night - such as what just happened in New York - shooting a guy 50 times, give me a break - how are they training these cops?.

Anyways, IMO it's great holding out the possibility that ALL beings will eventually live a blessed life, but we have a long way to go.

Greg

Post by **garyb** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:12 pm

well said.

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:47 am

stardust wrote:Non violence is part of lfe as violence is.

yes it is! sometimes not doing something ( commiting "violence" ) is worst and causes more problemsl

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:48 am

Two Wolves

One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on
inside all people. He said, 'My son, the battle is between two 'wolves'
inside us all.

One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance,
self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority,
and ego.

The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility,
kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.'

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather:
'Which wolf wins?'

The old Cherokee simply replied, 'The one you feed.'