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The Pope arrives in Washington

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President George W. Bush, first lady Laura Bush and their daughter, Jenna, welcomed the Pope on the tarmac in an unprecedented greeting ceremony complete with military honour guards and two brass bands.

It is the first time any U.S. president has greeted a leader or dignitary of any kind at the base. Neither Bush nor the Pope spoke with reporters

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The Bush-Benedict get-together will be the 25th meeting between a pope and a sitting U.S. president. Jimmy Carter was the only other president to host a pope at the White House, receiving a 1979 visit from Pope John Paul II.

The first papal audience with a U.S. president did not come until shortly after the end of the First World War, when Woodrow Wilson was received at the Vatican by Pope Benedict XV in 1919. The next wasn't for 40 more years, when President Dwight Eisenhower saw Pope John XXIII in Rome.

Since then, such audiences have become a must-do. Every president has met with the pope at least once, often more. This week makes Bush the record-holder, with a total of five meetings with two popes.

There are more than 64 million reasons for this. Catholics number nearly one-quarter of the U.S. population, making them a desirable constituency for politicians to court.

"The pope represents not just the Catholic Church but the possibility of moral argument in world affairs, and it is very important for American presidents to rub up against that from time to time," said George Weigel, a Catholic theologian and biographer of Pope John Paul II.

The Vatican — seat of a government as well as a religious headquarters — has an interest, too.

"It wants to be a player in world affairs, and everyone understands that to do that you have to be in conversation with the United States," said John Allen, the Vatican correspondent for the independent National Catholic Reporter.
'A lot of things to talk about'

On social issues such as abortion, gay marriage and stem cell research, Bush and Benedict have plenty of common ground.

But they disagree over the war in Iraq, just as Bush did with Benedict's predecessor, John Paul.

When Benedict was a cardinal before the 2003 invasion, the now-pontiff categorically dismissed the idea that a preventive strike against Iraq could be justified under Catholic doctrine. In his Easter message last year, Benedict said "nothing positive comes from Iraq."

In fact, the death penalty is another area of long-held disagreement, with Bush a strong supporter. Benedict also speaks forcefully against punitive immigration laws and the U.S. trade embargo against Cuba and in favour of environmental protection and social welfare — all in ways that often run counter to the policies of the Bush administration.

But differences between popes and presidents are nothing new.

John Paul and former president Bill Clinton clashed — with strikingly sharp Vatican statements — on abortion.

Also, the church's opposition to almost any war except those based on self-defense has been a persistent theme in U.S. relations.

Pope Paul VI wanted to help mediate an end to the Vietnam War. John Paul also urged then president Ronald Reagan against the arms race and spoke out vigorously against the 1991 Persian Gulf War under the current president's father. All these urgings, like the current anti-Iraq argument, were to no avail.

"Modern popes have seen themselves as voices of conscience and peacemakers," Allen said. "U.S. administrations haven't always been excited for them to play that role."

Weighty discussions aside, the talks with Bush are not likely to be the most-remembered or most influential part of the pontiff's six-day, two-city U.S. tour, Weigel said. That is expected to come when Benedict addresses the United Nations on Friday.

"I think it's nice they're going to meet. They have a lot of things to talk about," he said. "But the notion that the world operates by the big guys getting together and cutting a deal is wrong."
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President John F. Kennedy talks with Pope Paul VI at the Vatican on July 3, 1963. The meeting was historic: the first Roman Catholic president of the United States was seeing the Roman Catholic pontiff only days after his papal coronation. (Associated Press Files)
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hello, i'm the pope and i sold ZyclonB to the camps in ww2! i joined the brownshirts!
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Prove it!
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read his autobiography for starters.

oh that's right! he was in the Hitler youth, but opposed Nazis.

it's a matter of public record that he worked for IG and sold zyklon-B.

no need for me to prove anything.
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I didn´t know that Gary, well all that should make him, let me say, more accepted by the leaders.
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Nothing is sacred, the end of times is near...... :o

Please let us have XITE-1 for a year or so before the seventh seal is broken.
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Well Said Brotha' Man Stardust,

To not be in the HY movement in the late 30's would have been asking for retribution, no doubt.

The same children put up one hell of a fight against the Russians as they approached the Elbe River. Surrender was not an option.

Anyone in a position of power sadly faces public scrutiny.

Us peasants are better off than we think. :wink:
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Maybe he will point out to bush it is not such a good idea to try and bring the "end times" so quickly because hi will NOT be one of the "good ones" who get rapture.

Then bush can tell his masters.
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he's already called for a "new world order".....

defend him if you wish, he's not the first corrupt pope by any means.

as to what life was like in the 40s, it was like today without the computers. people were often fooled by their leaders and they didn't look to far beneath the surface, just like today, so their leaders did some horrible things, just like today....in germany, people weren't forced into ANYTHING at first, it was voluntary and the Nazis were "democratically" elected. people liked the stirring and wonderful words. it wasn't until the Nazis had consolidated power with volunteers, that coersion came into play, just like today....

zionist, the pope, the NWO, these are factions in a bigger power structure. pay attention and you'll see them all give the same secret handshake. they battle with each other by saying "i'll fight you to the last drop of my men's blood!". :lol: once again, the word is "catalyst"...
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popes have a long history of supporting Hitler types while claiming not to. in fact the catholic church and the third reich have some very interesting connections.

IG Farben didn't get out of the eugenics business suddenly when the Rat started working for them.

he is DIRECTLY responsible for the evil he does even if it's in the name of his boss. that is the reason so many were hanged during the Nurenburg trials. "i was just following orders" is unacceptable for the pope, a soldier, a brownshirt, or you or me.

from what i've seen, there's a lot of revisionism in the Rat's past. from what i've seen, the charges against him are less than bullshit. it's just that sooo many records were destroyed when it was clear the war was lost, that's how you get ex ss officers running the UN and leading Austria, and how their children end up as US governators......
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A little research on what types of companies the Catholic church/Vatican OWN is mind-boggling. MANY pharmaceuticals and insurance companies.

Keep people 'alive' (so they can all be good little catholics), keep them drugged, keep them ignorant, and make them pay for it. This is the outcome of a deep-seated agenda (besides mass-international child prostitution rings I presume).

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the pope at the time(ww2) was a hitler supporter. this is NOT debated historicly. i'm not saying anything bad about catholics. they are mostly good people with the best of intentions.

anyway, the pope IS the emporer of rome. if you remember, the roman church was started by constantine, and after the so-called "barbarian invasion"(the "barbar" were who the roman army used as soldiers), the emporer just changed his name and the empire was ruled by theocracy instead of politically. who was it who assigned the kings of europe but the pope? the word emporer indicates a king over all kings. was the pope not that in europe? the man claims the insane title of "vicar of god" and vicar indicates someone who sits in for another, in other words, he's sitting on god's throne, keeping it warm because of his wonderfullness......there's a problem there somewhere....
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Bush said "Thank You, Your Holiness. Awesome Speech!"

its true!
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the Catholic Church OWNS things. they run business and financial institutions. they are not a benign force any more than the US government or the Chinese or German governments are. they are ACTIVE. they handle more money than most governments do. please don't be naive. i'm not even saying all their work is bad, i'm just pointing out reality. he's not just a cute old man, he sits on a seat of POWER.
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Neutron wrote:Bush said "Thank You, Your Holiness. Awesome Speech!"

its true!
:lol: he is quite a klown! what highjinks! :lol:
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to me he looks more evil then christianity
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its either pure ignorance or calculated evil.........

the delusions such people have causing them to support those people really only seems possible from a state of indifference. which is hardly a place for a pope to rule from......

its really sad :( the problem is its getting to me....... after learning about all the crazy people ruling our planet I have trouble functioning. I am still searching for the anger to act.......

to be aware of all this..... I dont know how you all cope..... I see some still ignorant.. some are ignoring it.... others are denying things like always....

I realise while writing this that music needs to be my only religion! I dont really know where this post came from, but I might as well submit.
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it's not bullshit.
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just ignore it all, be happy!

if you can't be happy, take prozac! there's no reason to stress!

don't think about what's done to you, your brother, your sister, or cousin or innocent children! the only thing that's important is to be deliriously happy! happy, happy, joy, joy!

happiness is just a small part of life. it's a by-product of activity. I'M HAPPY, but i'm not going to shut down my mind, or turn a blind eye to reality. it's the EXACT attitude you describe, stardust, that allowed bad men in Germany to exterminate millions of Gypsies, Jews, mentally ill and disabled, the retarded, homosexuals, political dissidents, other non-Germans and anyone else the state wished to call undesirables. just join the Hitler youth and be happy![scene of Czech citizens marched through a death camp by allied troops saying "we had no idea!" i say no one wanted to know because that would have required deadly action against those in power, much more scary than the loss of one's humanity and of course, the allies also knew what had been happening, but did nothing either except to self-righteously look down upon the local townspeople when they met them] maybe eliminating many of those people WAS necessary for the continuing health of the political system, but i doubt if that was the case in even 1% of those deaths, and even if death was best for those people, the inhumane treatment of them was not. now, THESE SAME FOLKS, OR THE FAMILIES OF THOSE FOLKS WHO COMMITTED THESE GENOCIDES ARE STILL IN CHARGE SO WHAT GIVES? and even more to the point, what can you possibly gain by defending them in any way? maybe you are a closet fascist.
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The Pope said he will pray for all 11000 victims of sexual abuse.
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