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how predictable.
that line wasn't written in english. the bible doesn't say that you can't defend yourself, even to the point of deadly force.
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<~Shroomz~> wrote:Gary, I'm sure you're right, but you can't deny that a country with a heavily armed population & heavily armed, lets say 'alternative organizations' is one that many other countries would seriously plan to invade.
that would be quite foolish, to invade a heavily armed population. that's the opposite of military strategy.as i remember history, Scotland's independance vanished with the clans being disarmed....
in fact it is - but the (not so) funny thing is... it hits the nailnext to nothing wrote:"but what's up when it comes down to yourself or a close relative, a friend or a loved one ? "
ah, thats a classic. I remember from my army days, this was one of the classic questions for dividing those claiming to be pasifists from those "able" to do the mandatory 12 months of army...
I'd rather say that no less than 90% of those pretending high moral standards in philosophical talks will turn 180 degrees when they are involved in a real world situation.
It's the law of the personal exception - you can observe it anywhere in whatever circumstances. People use to insist that 'others' obey the rules, but for themselves it's just that special situation which justifies an exception
in my former neighbourhood lived a Kurd... no, no - not a lonesome worker - with family. Of course the women do the jobs and Mr. Mr. preferes hanging out with his homies. One day he asked my wife if she'd like to come over 'for a coffee...' LMAO
do you know what may happen if you just look a tiny bit too directly at a Kurdish girl ?
people complain about rising social security costs, but have few problems to pretend illness for getting a few days off.
Foreign workers are said to exploit social security in a criminal way, but those who complain brag about how smart they cheated in their tax declaration.
They demand well paid jobs, but hire someone for peanuts to do their car, garden, house etc 'inofficially'.
Of course they exceed any speed limit, because they are in a hurry 'right now'
There are literally millions of people every day who talk about what they'd rather to do with someone, as long as the person is absent.
Face to face is a different story, tho - why shouldn't this apply to ethics as well ?
I don't adress anyone personally here - but I've seen enough people change their mind (sometimes even their personality) from one moment to the other, so in the end I don't give much on any talk.
There's a lot of genetic code below the moral surface - ready to break up anytime.
it's funny how we're being told these days that the best way to be safe and secure is to be as passive as possible. what folly! sometimes being passive is the right thing, but always survival requires action at some point.skwawks wrote:<There's a lot of genetic code below the moral surface - ready to break up anytime.>
Thats right Tom ...we're only here because there's been a lot of rat cunning running in the veins of our families for a LONG time .
Praise the lord and pass the ammunition
Paul
being passive is for domesticated creatures. it doesn't ensure their survival though. why are we told these days that maybe it'd be better if people didn't survive? that we're a plague? i say that the plague and the one who stirs up the most trouble is the source of all the "talking points".
Morlocks and Eloi.......
if you don't know that H.G. Wells was the royal futurist and that he mainly wrote non-fiction about how to establish world dictatorial power for a scientific elite, then you may not have eyes to see when reading his fiction. funny how in the road to becoming the Eloi in The Time Machine released in 1895, man had a world war with an atom bomb which ushered in the new order. he spoke much more at length about the 3 world wars, the last leading to a total breakdown of society everywhere which brought in the scientific dictatorship which tranquilized the population with arial spraying from planes all based around an operation in Basra(!), Iraq in a book called The Shape of Things to Come(great movie from 1936 as well. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Things_to_Come) published in 1933 and the non fiction The Work, Wealth and Happiness of Mankind published in 1931.
oops, a little further ot.....
the thing is morality isn't what we think it is. we are not what we think we are. there IS a true morality that is REAL, ABSOLUTE, OBVIOUS, and NOT subjective. one needs to truly see what he is, without the romance and limited ideas of his thinking to find it, since every eye has been veiled in this time....
Hey Gary, I don't claim to be an expert in Scottish history, but our little country did actually make (some) valuable contributions to the world, including the US & Canada.
Like it or not, just try to imagine where the US would be without the great scientists, philosiphers, doctors, architects, engineers and educators (amongst other disciplines) from various european countries.... including Scotland.
Shroomz, most definitely!
i never intended disrespect. we are all human beings and that alone is enough. i was only trying to discuss the point on common ground and it's all in good humor. if you reread my post, you may see it from a different point of veiw, and i think you'll have to agree with me....
i never intended disrespect. we are all human beings and that alone is enough. i was only trying to discuss the point on common ground and it's all in good humor. if you reread my post, you may see it from a different point of veiw, and i think you'll have to agree with me....
This thread is funny....
No-one around here, except gary, seems to have any understanding of what 'rights' actually means...
Seriously people look up and learn the difference between a right and a privelidge.
Does anyone know the difference here, after reading this thread, it seems not.
But then again, this isnt surprising when most Americans think they live in a democracy and everyone thinks that this system of government is such a great ideal that the world should be forced into various states of democracy, down the barrel of a gun, if nessicary.
Damn, its wonderful what government controlled education and mass media can do.
No-one around here, except gary, seems to have any understanding of what 'rights' actually means...
Seriously people look up and learn the difference between a right and a privelidge.
Does anyone know the difference here, after reading this thread, it seems not.
But then again, this isnt surprising when most Americans think they live in a democracy and everyone thinks that this system of government is such a great ideal that the world should be forced into various states of democracy, down the barrel of a gun, if nessicary.
Damn, its wonderful what government controlled education and mass media can do.
Gary,
The founding fathers did not know what things would be like now. They were not prophets. We are never going to be so angry that we would try to overthrow the government. That is so ludicrous. A good idea if you feel it is too corrupt would be to organize a viable third party. I know it would be difficult as the current parties would fight it. There is also the option to leave the country. I think patriotism is stupid. They want you to love your country just so you will pay taxes. I like educating other peoples children (and I never had any) but what I don't like is paying taxes to kill a bunch of people elsewhere or even executions in our own country. I should have the right not to kill people with my money!
The founding fathers did not know what things would be like now. They were not prophets. We are never going to be so angry that we would try to overthrow the government. That is so ludicrous. A good idea if you feel it is too corrupt would be to organize a viable third party. I know it would be difficult as the current parties would fight it. There is also the option to leave the country. I think patriotism is stupid. They want you to love your country just so you will pay taxes. I like educating other peoples children (and I never had any) but what I don't like is paying taxes to kill a bunch of people elsewhere or even executions in our own country. I should have the right not to kill people with my money!
If you were the only person alive, you wouldn't be telling yourself what your rights are. You could do what you want. Rights only exist in a society and more than one person has to agree on what they are. If your rights interfere with someone else's rights then there could be a conflict such as in the never ending abortion debate.
that's right there could be conflict. good! a little respect for all sides might help.
still a right is inalienable, even if a criminal refuses your right. having a right doesn't mean "doing whatever you want". it doesn't mean that you can abuse others because you have a right. these are faulty arguments.
still a right is inalienable, even if a criminal refuses your right. having a right doesn't mean "doing whatever you want". it doesn't mean that you can abuse others because you have a right. these are faulty arguments.
A person who is arrested has a right to a lawyer (in our country) but that is because we say he has the right. If he has the right to a lawyer, he should have the right to a good lawyer with enough time. His rights apparently don't extend that far.
Rights are what we say they are. They are ideas. They are concepts. Whatever your rights are today, they may change as the law changes. Legal rights are the only rights that matter. Other rights are esoteric, unless you plan to overthrow the government with armed conflict.
Rights are what we say they are. They are ideas. They are concepts. Whatever your rights are today, they may change as the law changes. Legal rights are the only rights that matter. Other rights are esoteric, unless you plan to overthrow the government with armed conflict.