R.I.P. Charlton Heston

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:12 am

Such a quality is hard to find these days.

He marched alongside Martin Luther The King back in the '60's when that was not politically correct for a Hollywood actor, and his contributions and defending of our Constitutionial rights was duly noted while he was a spokeman for the N.R.A.

Actually he was missed when he retired from making movies.

Ben Hur
Exodus
Midway
Planet Of The Apes
Soilent Green,.....etc.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:45 am

may he rest in peace even if im pretty far away from his political point of view.

we've had actor go president, actor go NRA, i guess after the election we'll see president go NRA

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:49 am

Omega man was another one of his movies (the movie I Am Legend is a remake of it). He was also one of Michael Moore's targets in Farenheit 911.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:27 pm

FAT chance in America 4 that.

When the one world government that wants to raise your kids and tell you what;s good 4 U, you might be glad that in this hemisphere still live the reincarnate of the minutemen.

We really don't need the NRA, I agree.

But we need our guns to keep the faith.

And also for that tasty Elk Loin I have eaten all year long.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:17 pm

BingoTheClowno wrote:Omega man was another one of his movies (the movie I Am Legend i[/url].

Well no, I Am Legend is based on the book I Am Legend (oddly enough). Love the Omega Man, Soylent Green and Planet of the Apes.

A forgotten favourite of mine is Touch of Evil. OK Chuck as a Mexican is a bit hard to swallow but he did help Welles get the film made. Love his big screen persona, do not love his politics or love of the gun.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:19 pm

I have something to explain to my friends around the world:

Here in the U.S.A. we have always had a "Shoot now, ask questions later" mentality.

What do you expect from a nation so totally stupid that it elected George W. Bush twice?

Heston was a disgrace.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:22 pm

Well, it's not legal to hunt in many Countries, but there ya go. Maybe those not allowed to hunt are the hard-done-by ones.

In most of Africa it's perfectly legal to take an american's 50,000 dolla for gunning down a Rhino. Hell, you can even gun down a Zebra for about $1500 if you're that way inclined. I bet mister Heston was a proud big game hunter. (no offense Charlie, RIP 'n'all that).

You could be forgiven for thinking that gun (& use of gun) mentality, is simply just inbread/passed down, like so many other things in life.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:30 pm

I don't get why most gun control advocates are always saying "We are not trying to guns away from hunters". All the hunters I know use crossbows.

The constitution doesn't define what arms are or militias. We don't have nuclear weapons or hand grenades legal for citizens.

It is ridiculous to have the right to own anything in the constitution. No other possessional is protected.

sharc · Post by **sharc** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:37 pm

He was also one of Michael Moore's targets in Farenheit 911.

...and in 'Bowling for Columbine'. Moore didn't half set about him in that one. I actually felt a bit sorry for the old boy, although in this case, he did have it coming. That said, he did stand up for what he believed in.

Not a brilliant actor by any means, but most of the films mentioned above wouldn't have been the same without him.

R.I.P. Charlton.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:10 pm

Normally when a product is deemed to be dangerous, we forbid the sale of it.

Headlines From http://www.michaelmoore.com/:

April 7th, 2008
Man in Car With Girlfriend Shot in Head, Killed

April 7th, 2008
15-Year-Old Boy Killed in Drive-By Shooting

April 8th, 2008
High School Football Player Shot to Death at Party

April 7th, 2008
3-Year-Old Shoots Herself With Dad's Intended Suicide Gun

April 7th, 2008
3-Year-Old Kills Himself With Sheriff's Sergeant's Gun

April 7th, 2008
Man Opens Fire on Child's Birthday Party; 5-year-old girl, 48-year-old woman dead

April 7th, 2008
Man Shoots, Kills Girlfriend as She Leaves Church

April 7th, 2008
Teenager Ends Gas Station Argument With a Gun

April 7th, 2008
Woman Shot to Death in VFW Parking Lot While Waiting to Pick Up Friend

April 7th, 2008
Student Killed in Crossfire at College Party

April 7th, 2008
Dylan Dennie; Middle school student killed with grandmother's gun

April 8th, 2008
Dad Killed by Stray Bullet While Playing With Sons in Yard

April 8th, 2008
Man Orders Burger, is Killed

April 8th, 2008
Man Shot in Head Outside Karaoke Bar

April 8th, 2008
Man Kills Neighbor With Gun

April 7th, 2008
"I come to see my daddy and my brother to enjoy myself, and somebody killed my daddy and my brother. Oh man."

April 7th, 2008
Mom, Dad Dead, Son in Custody

Post by **garyb** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:16 pm

there's nothing wrong with law abiding citizens having arms or defending themselves. the police CANNOT defend you. if you can eliminate guns altogether i'm for it(no guns for the military, police, criminals, or anyone), but that's not reality. a free man has the right to defend himself, to the death if necessary. period. it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about it.

michael moore is a pig. he is a lying scoundrel who shills for the NWO. HIS BODYGUARDS ARE ARMED(but i guess that's ok for special humans like him)......

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:23 pm

Other countries get by without the right to own guns so there is no need.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:32 pm

people in other countries don't need to defend themselves? bogus. they aren't allowed to. if one sees no need for a weapon, let him not get one. FREE PEOPLE HAVE THE CHOICE.

bodyguards of rich people in other countries are armed as well. if they have the right to defend themselves, so do I.

just because you're scared of me defending myself, doesn't give you the right to DICTATE whether or not i'm allowed to, as though the state were my daddy and mommy. that is perversion.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:37 pm

I contend that your life or mine is not so valuable that it is worth risking the lives of other citizens for.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:40 pm

why is their life or lives more important than mine? that's a bunch of hooey. why is mr moore's life so much more important that he can have armed bodyguards and i can't even defend myself? because he's fatter than me? once again, that's hooey.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:53 pm

He had death threats. Did you?

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:24 pm

(need to repost)

Post by **garyb** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:33 pm

yes, true. but that has nothing to do with all other types of violence. also, many forms of self defense are now called homocide, when in the past, they would not have been(can't shoot a burglar these days). these numbers don't show how many were assaulted by legal gun carriers like police and soldiers either. there are other statistics that show violent crimes going DOWN in areas where concealed carry permits were reintroduced....there are stats to prove most everything.

regardless, i'm sticking to my assertion. joe public has as much right as the queen to defend himself. death threats or not. it doesn't matter if you are scared of me with a gun, it's still my right. if guns are legislated out of the public's hands, it's still my right. ALL men have the right to clean water, shelter, air, food and self defense. PERIOD.

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Mr. A, i see you've removed your post. darn, i was just beginning to enjoy going ot...

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:54 pm

To be precise in most of the European countries there is a right to possess arms, but it is more or less regulated.

In any advanced system a right is never absolute because it's limited by other rights, which are also limited by the first one etc....this is quite accepted and logical. Also, there is no right without responsibility.

The right to defend yourself is a part of the bigger right for safety. Allowing guns for someone who has mental problems is conflicting with the right for safety for everybody, it also conflicts with the very foundation of any right, responsibility. A mental disease causes a lower ability of self control and less responsibility. In this case an advanced society defends itself limiting some rights to defend some more important ones, thus not allowing a disturbed person to carry a gun.
After all nobody would be so fool to give a driving license to a 4 years old kid.or a schizophrenic, even if a right of free movement is recognized ang juridically founded.

Allowing everybody to carry a gun is against the right of every citizen to be safe. Rights are not isolated, they are a system. Things are more complex than B&W.

My 0,02€

Post by **garyb** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:38 pm

rights are not a system. they are absolute. as you say, to every rule there is an exception. it's when the exception becomes the rule that something is fishy....

i had alreay qualified "law abiding". even a lunatic has the right to defend himself, so don't pick on crazy people.

obviously, a gun is not fit for an irresponsible person, no matter what strata of society he might belong to, including royalty, the military and police.... responsible people have the right to a weapon, just as they have the right to a kitchen knife.

safety is not a right. that's an imaginary reality. life is dangerous, that's why we need to be responsible. being responsible is not being the state's child. the state CAN NOT assure safety.