the seal hunt is going slowly

Post by **garyb** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:39 pm

because the ice is too thick.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080328/wl_ ... _seals_col

CHARLOTTETOWN, Prince Edward Island (Reuters) - Canada's annual seal hunt, which the government promised would be more humane this year, cranked up slowly on Friday because of thick ice.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:22 am

I really do wonder if there is a need to even go seal hunting.. didn't know they were useful for anything.

I guess if it's sustainable.. I mean, you gotta admit, the humane societies and other groups who feed off of these issues always need new issues so they don't go out of business. So of course they're going to try their best to make the issue a big deal, and feed off the press. But who knows, 5.5 million really isn't sustainable.

If they need seals so bad, they should build a farm and just grow them. Can't be that hard can it? If that's fine with chicken and cows and pigs, there shouldn't be any humane problems with that.

But the question remains tho.. for what? Seal fur coats? I'm no fashionista, but I've never even heard of one! Seal oil for omega-3? Just got eat some fresh silver/blue fish or get flaxseed oil.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:53 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_hunting

they are useful for some

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:57 am

In a few places, the ice gets thicker. Over all, there is less of it. But yes, climate change is a better word than global heating.

I've seen several coats of seal skin.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:57 am

there has been considerable concern about the pack ice melt at the north and south poles, but currently the ice is thicker than ever almost everywhere. the south pole's ice is very thick this year. we appear to be spared the catastrophic flooding from melted polar ice after all. i think it's funny this isn't being mentioned. i guess it's just an inconvienient truth....

btw stardust-you probably already know this but polar bears can swim, literally hundreds of miles. they hunt beluga whales and seals and pull them up on the ice(!). the bears' numbers are exploding. they are not in danger atm. if the ice is thick, they just walk out until it ends and then jump in. if it's thin, then they don't have to go as far, but i don't think it matters much either way to them, they've got nothing better to do and they aren't cold......

posted for y'all's amusement.

btw-the sun's activity has recently dropped off considerably after a record period. perhaps this explains the rather cold winter the earth has experienced this year.

yes, climate change is a better word. climate change is a constant occurance and has been since the beginning. it will continue regardless of what we do, infact, i'll put money on the bet that says the more we try to influence climate change conciously, the more disastrous it becomes...

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:33 am

Harp seals have never been considered endangered and the Marine Animal Response Society, per March 2007, estimates the harp seal population in the world at 9.5 million.[7]

The practice remains highly controversial, attracting significant media coverage and protests each year.[3] Images from the hunts have become iconic symbols for conservation, animal welfare, and animal rights advocates.

see, this is what I'm talking about.. I know it's for a good cause, but sometimes things get blown out of proportion. And organizations seem to really benefit from this sort of PR strategy. It's like, they would use any image or concept to get funding, so that they can fund activities that are more less visible.. But that creates a false understanding of what's really bad, and what's not. Then again, it's all just business right?

Fluxpod · Post by **Fluxpod** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:37 am

Sickens me to see em killing with bloody fing wood sticks..there must be a less painfull way..I understand that arctic nature folks can and should hunt but this is way way more retarded then i can stand./no approve of the slaught fest!

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:54 am

wonder if it gathered as much attention if they werent so damn cute.

Fluxpod · Post by **Fluxpod** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:57 am

next to nothing wrote:wonder if it gathered as much attention if they werent so damn cute.

Well good question.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:24 pm

seal hunting is brutal and nasty, but not as nasty as trying to convince the world that the sea ice is melting in order to institute a global tax and central control when the ice is thicker than normal....

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:22 pm

A vast iceberg has broken away from the Antarctic coast, threatening the collapse of a larger ice shelf that is now “hanging by a thread”.

Satellite images have revealed that about 160 square miles of the
Wilkins Shelf have been lost since the end of February, suggesting that climate change could be causing it to disintegrate much more quickly than scientists had predicted. “The ice shelf is hanging by a thread,” said David Vaughan, of the British Antarctic Survey(BAS). “We’ll know in the next few days or weeks what its fate will be.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 621685.ece

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:36 pm

garyb wrote:seal hunting is brutal and nasty, but not as nasty....

I really hate excessive tax levels, especially hate wrong (IMO) taxes like the VAT, being it not proportioned to the income.
As soon as I hate any form of control directed to increase/consolidate exploiting or illegitimate power.
...But, leaving apart ice and heat, you sometimes really sound so... patriotic to me Garyb.

And I'm the opposite.
Of course it's easy for you being patriotic, considering you belong to a nation staying at the top, as soon as it's easy for me being critical toward my country's bad habits.
This is a point making hard the discussion of this argument to me.

Just, I'm wondering what's making you think about alarmism used as a means to institute global taxes and central control.
Also wondering if you're really opposed to the opinion that increased levels of control (not talking about azimuth 0 control) can increase transparency.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:41 pm

increased control=increased corruption.

i'm patriotic i guess, but that's like loving your family. it doesn't mean that i hate or have bad intentions for everyone else. there's nothing wrong with patriotism in itself, although if those feelings and ideas are misused they can be quite destructive, just like any other ism. anyway, my patriotism is exactly like your non-patriotism, i don't like the bad things my government is doing.

actually the antarctic ice melts in summer and grows in winter. one year all the ice is melting, the next it's thicker than ever.

from 2002:
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/ESA6CV66K3D_index_0.html

there are plenty of articles like this even now. some places the ice grows, some it retreats. it's true, if the melts remained the same wherever they were happening as when they happen, then all would be lost, but that's not how the real world works. this year, the north has been exceptionly cold(compared to recent times)...

Post by **garyb** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:04 pm

there no reason to continue stupid things, even if there's no danger. however, on the other hand, there's no reason to do stupid things because one perceives the non-existant danger either.....

obviously, respecting the environment is a good way to make the world a nicer place to live.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:37 pm

Cochise wrote:Just, I'm wondering what's making you think about alarmism used as a means to institute global taxes and central control.

read the report to the Club of Rome called "the First Global Revolution". in it, they explicitly say this.

membership roster of the Club of Rome:
http://www.clubofrome.org/members/membe ... hip=Active

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:15 pm

Huge solar storms are erupting right now (http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/) and there are reports of a huge volcano rumbling in Antarctica http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/1810- which some scientists now think is the real reason for ice melts..

So, there's no global warming OR cooling, just major adjustments and changes in the Earth's weather systems. All must return to balance.

Nevertheless, the globalist pranksters out there will keep trying to tax us for the air we breath, and the water we drink, while also forcing the increased cost of food due to 'cost of oil', or that boondoggle called ethanol.

Greg

Post by **garyb** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:20 pm

ahhh, the sun's back at it...

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:34 am

As the incurable idealist I am, I refuse to consider the corruption as totally generalized.
There's other people around having healthy idealism above profit in their values scale.
Could even be unexpected ones.

So control = x% good control + y% corrupted control; then more control = more good control + more corrupted.
Nevertheless more corruption = more spread informations about the corruption itself, then more probability that informations leaks out.

Though I also think it could be good that people start trying their best to make itself sort control and act accordingly, without let to be fooled (increased spread of wise critical sense is still needed).

Sorry, I wasn't able to find the report you point out...
What's that Club of Rome? What's its weight?

Post by **garyb** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:17 pm

the report is a book. it's expensive, but you can find it.

this is what the Club says about itself:

The Club of Rome is a global think tank and centre of innovation and initiative.
As a non-profit, non govermental organisation (NGO), it brings together scientists, economists, businessmen, international high civil servants, heads of state and former heads of state from all five continents who are convinced that the future of humankind is not determined once and for all and that each human being can contribute to the improvement of our societies.

and

The Club of Rome’s mission is to act as a global catalyst of change that is free of any political, ideological or business interest.

The Club of Rome contributes to the solution of what it calls the world problematique, the complex set of the most crucial problems – political, social, economic, technological, environmental, psychological and cultural - facing humanity

this is what the dictionary says about the word catalyst:

1. Chemistry A substance, usually used in small amounts relative to the reactants, that modifies and increases the rate of a reaction without being consumed in the process.
2. One that precipitates a process or event, especially without being involved in or changed by the consequences:

the longtime president of the club was H.R.H. Prince El Hassan bin Talal from the Majlis El Hassan Royal Palace Amman Jordan(!?!)

you are optimistic because you are a good person and can't imagine what it's like to be a bad person. if you were a bad person, where would be a better place to work than in control? that's why government and police departments have a higher percentage of bad people than other occupations.

here's a site of some of the people whose job it is to control your thinking:
http://www.scl.cc/home.php
here's what scl says about themselves:

Strategic communication differs from orthodox commercial communication (such as advertising, public relations, etc.) in that it concentrates on the behavioural outcome of the communication not just concepts such as brand awareness.

For example, commercial advertising might encourage an audience to hold very favourable attitudes about a Ferrari, but that does not necessarily lead to all those with a favourable attitude buying a Ferrari. Conversely, cigarette smokers may be fully aware of the dangers associated with smoking, but will carry on anyway.

Broadly speaking, commercial communication is measured by attitudinal results (considering one brand better than another) and strategic communication is measured by results (changes in actions).

SCL uses the BDI methodology, which is the most powerful communication methodology to influence group behaviour.

Even though much greater effort and resources must be applied at the front end (as compared to commercial advertising), the resultant outcomes are far more effective and predictable.

Consequently, the SCl solutions are used primarily where the communication outcomes are critical.

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:42 am

Interesting. Why they choose the name Club of Rome?

About CSL: I guess they have been (and probably are) in the need of unaware people for experimenting with their techniques...
(for sure they can't use guinea pigs for that)

If I let my mind to go on about, it will come out with some ideas suitable for the plot of a film. A quite scary one indeed.

Also wondering if those techniques are powerful enough to be effective even with aware people. For sure they can fool a lot.