Comparisons of Waves plug-ins with Scope effects?

sonicstrav · Post by **sonicstrav** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:30 pm

I wondered if anyone had an opinion on this - all the native guys reckon Waves stuff is great - had anyone compared them - is Scope stuff as good as Waves?

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:20 am

A benchmark between Sony Oxford vs Soniccore would be more appropriate

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I am not fond of the Waves plugins (and they are very expensive !...). If you can go for URS or Sony Oxford for example (I mean if you have the money for) !that's another world .... But you cannot beat the 3rd party effects from soniccore (price/quality ratio is just amazing !) IMHO. As for the sony effects (very expensive too ! They are THE plugins to get ... But it was on a powercore and I am not sure they are available in vst ?

It is important to compare in a fair way. As soon as you buy a plugin (no crack !) the comparison must stay fair. On this subject, I would not recommend the Waves as a "must-have". Just my opinion though ...

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sonicstrav · Post by **sonicstrav** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:00 am

So the Sony Oxford stuff (now Sonnox) is better than Soniccore plugs in your opinion?

What about the Sonalkis stuff?

maky325 · Post by **maky325** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:17 am

I have sonalksis eq and oxford eq but since i own scope i dont use them. That does not mean they are bad i just do everything inside of scope because of own reasons.

Oxford is about the 99,99% SAME as UAD Cambridge EQ (i know because i am former UAD user and i did a lot of testing on this subject). And it is pretty good sounding for VST eq. It is very usable on many things. Sonalksis EQ is right behind and imo it is one of greatest eq to work with in VST. You can dial sound easy and it does have nice freq analyzer usable for making quick fixes.
That said when you compare them to PEQ4 from scope they are almost same but slightly different. PEQ does ahve wider q curves so it is just that little bit usable to me sometimes. Also because of that you can get harsh artifacts with PEQ4 pretty fast if you dont monitor well. I dont like fact that PEQ 4 does not have clip indicator but that does not mean it is bad. Again you should monitor your signal well.

Bigger flagship EQ of current scope is on the other side pretty ahead of any of these. Especially on master buss. Because of many bands you are forced to work with some confidence and again you can get great results in short time.
In short i like (liked) oxford but i like scope eq-s too. For some reason sound is a bit better but that is strictly subjective opinion. Since i am not going back to VST for a pretty long time if ever, i am happy with what i got now and i have pretty nice range for doing EQ tasks

There is new EQ on the horizon for Scope version 5. From what i can see it is some sort of SSL clone or something. We should see. Hope this helps a bit!

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:56 am

Does anyone know the free Paris EQ vst.
It really does colour the sound but I really like that.

sonicstrav · Post by **sonicstrav** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:17 am

What about the 3rd party EQs - eg DAS - are they better than the standard scope stuff?

Post by **garyb** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:42 am

the19thbear · Post by **the19thbear** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:11 am

if you compare scopes stock devices to waves, then waves wins! waves is simply very good!
but some 3rd part devices really get up close!
like dmutes d comp. and its free!!

sunset070 · Post by **sunset070** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:39 am

Try out the ISON from De-Vice,is a good parametric eq

Post by **garyb** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:50 am

waves aren't all that, but if you prefer them, who can fight it?

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:00 am

I don`t think waves wins at all.

With EQs and compressors, its all up to taste. And the SC standard EQs and comps are just good basic stuff.

Regarding reverbs the waves pack has nothing too special and the reverb stuff avaialable for Scope is well another class.

Regarding Compressors, the vinco is in a very high class ballpark. And the free d-mute comp has also a very nice sound.

And keep in mind with v5 we get a new set of basic comp, EQ and a new reverb, which likely will sound a bit better than the basic stuff.

Wired · Post by **Wired** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:33 am

if anyone has tried a duende, ..it will be evident that algos are everything, ...when i talked with ssl about their stuff (channel strip, drumstrip), they said that their is nothing in Scope or uad that sounds like duende, ..., now with Scope 5 , all we can hope for is that the programming is better , so that the 'sound' will have a quality to or above those of duende, ...it may only be possible with the new sharcs,

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:07 am

hehe thats what they said?

I hope they also told you that they only have ~1/5 of the power of the new Scope for 1/2 of the price.

but for sure new eqs are always welcomed...

Fluxpod · Post by **Fluxpod** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:17 am

hifiboom wrote:hehe thats what they said?

I hope they also told you that they only have ~1/5 of the power of the new Scope for 1/2 of the price.

but for sure new eqs are always welcomed...

True about the power.But it does sound incredible,there is not much in the pluginworld that holds a foot against it atm.It may change in may tho:)

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:44 am

yeah I guess you are right if you say so. But I am just a bit in *love-scope-extreme-emotion-mode* since some time.

Fluxpod · Post by **Fluxpod** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:28 pm

Atm its the leading product..but the buggy drivers and the latency is a drive off..atleast while tracking.I have high expectations for v5.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:49 pm

Fluxpod, I guess you mean the SSL drivers?

at least the scope driver I use is freaky rock solid and goes down to 2-3ms...

Fluxpod · Post by **Fluxpod** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:52 pm

hifiboom wrote:Fluxpod, I guess you mean the SSL drivers?

at least the scope driver I use is freaky rock solid and goes down to 2-3ms...

Yes sorry i wasnt clear:P The ssl drivers were a total f... up until last week.Crashes, kernel panic, bluescreen, omgness all around...but the sound was/is fing awsome.If sc gets that vibe into v5 then i will sell my second kidney!..Just ordered adam p22 a, so first kidney is already gone

Wired · Post by **Wired** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:04 pm

had to get rid of mine also as it was way tooooo buggy, ...thought that new hardware may have been implemented on new half rack one, but they said that the hardware is the same, .....scope as it is good enought for alot, ... its easy to rent a high end piece of gear for passing the stuff thru, but lets face it, one doesn't see fletcher hailing scope for its sonic capabilities and a peq is not a rupert neve eq. ....

Fluxpod · Post by **Fluxpod** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:07 pm

Wired wrote:had to get rid of mine also as it was way tooooo buggy, ...thought that new hardware may have been implemented on new half rack one, but they said that the hardware is the same, .....scope as it is good enought for alot, ... its easy to rent a high end piece of gear for passing the stuff thru, but lets face it, one doesn't see fletcher hailing scope for its sonic capabilities and a peq is not a rupert neve eq. ....

With much respect..Fletcher is one grumpy git ...

And i agree renting is a good way.The new pcie version of the duende is interressting tho.Drivers are ok now,still a bit of downer with latency but ..ok for mixdown.I dont own one but i use it alot on post pro etc in different locations.

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Comparisons of Waves plug-ins with Scope effects?

Comparisons of Waves plug-ins with Scope effects?

algos are the difference

got rid of mine too

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