plugiator fmagia demo sound

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:59 am

You don't like OT posts so your solution is to make an OT post?

pollux wrote:I must admit braincell is one of the finest trolls I've seen lately... He managed to troll the plugiator FM Magia demo sound thread with his "I want SCOPE 5, a 14 DSP card and the coffee for free" stories.

Congrats braincell! Now, I've a challenge for you.. Do you think you could troll a compleetly non-technical thread on the OT forum too?

Cheers!

Raul

maky325 · Post by **maky325** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:49 am

Some people are beyond my mind that is sure

Marvin · Post by **Marvin** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:26 am

Some very rare people do not know what trolls are. Most of them are trolls!

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:12 pm

braincell wrote:Just got word from Sonic Core. Version 5 is free when you buy the 3 chip card even though it doesn't come with the paid 4.5 version.

that is a nice move from them, even if they don't have to do you that favour, don't you think?

and by the way... it is not SC's fault that microsoft changes their driver model every second version of their operating system. do you really think any company gets funded by them for development of new drivers? if there's one company to blame, it is microsoft and not soniccore. scope would have run fine on vista if MS didn't change everything again.

period.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:36 pm

You are pretty funny. Can you imagine someone who bought a computer 5 months ago and today buys a Scope Card, rushes to meet the delivery man,
plugs in the card and... oops it doesn't work! Of course they are giving away version 5, to not give it away with new cards would result in half the cards being returned and a lot of bad press. Think about it. The number one operating system in the world and new cards would not run on it?

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:51 pm

braincell wrote:You are pretty funny. Can you imagine someone who bought a computer 5 months ago and today buys a Scope Card, rushes to meet the delivery man,
plugs in the card and... oops it doesn't work! Of course they are giving away version 5, to not give it away with new cards would result in half the cards being returned and a lot of bad press. Think about it. The number one operating system in the world and new cards would not run on it?

it's not a new card. and you don't want vista drivers for your new card, and still you get it for free if you buy the 3dsp card. you want vista drivers for your old stuff. that's a big difference. so what?
still it is microsoft that forced the need for new drivers. you can try to ignore that, but that won't help you.
but then, your safe now. you'll get your drivers. and even more power. start being happy. now is the time

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:47 pm

The old Win XP drivers work fine on Vista, otherwise that would be a catastrophe for millions of companies. I want the new drivers in the hope that the clock bug is fixed. That I think is not the case. I think the new drivers are addressing some issues with the new PCI-e bus and be available only for ver. 5. In other words the ver.5 driver won't work with Scope ver. 4 or 4.5.

vmartell · Post by **vmartell** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:28 pm

Hello

I have been following this discussion from afar... Now I think is time to put my $0.02 in...

IMHO, it all depends on how you see your Scope/Pulsar card, how you use it and yes, your professional status...

If you see your cards in the same light you see much of your hardware... yes, it seems unreasonable to have to pay money for new operating system support; my case in point, Vista drivers for my Saffire, Novation Remote SL, M-Audio 192 and various other generic hardware, including Syncrosoft and iLok (believe it or not) provided Vista drivers with no additional cost... Not to mention Cubase and Arturia...

However, if you see your Pulsar/Scope as a complete Professional Solution system - which something different than just a hardware DEVICE... well, that's just the way it is - it is standard practice and you'll see similar upgrade/new support pricing schemes in everything from ProTools to CAD/CAM systems, Test Automation Systems, etc... the Scope system fits perfectly in that category...

So everything is in the POV of the user... if your are a Pro, you should have the budget to keep it running in whatever environment you plan to use it.... moving to another environment and/or platform is carefully planned along wit the budget to do it... Support and/or update contracts are common if not required on many solutions.
The Pro knows this and deals with it accordingly...

However, the consumer, is not used to this type of systems... and will certainly balk at the cost structure associated with running and maintaining a pro solution...

The last problem is that, I think many (of course not all) of Scope's customers are closer to the hobbyist (and therefore a consumer) type and will see this cost as unreasonable...

Of course, please don't get offended, I am not referring to YOU - is just a generalization kind of necessary to support my comments!

Myself, I am firmly in the hobbyist/consumer camp... and found the cost of keeping up to date and expanding Scope not my liking. I am however (and that's the reason I am still hanging around the forums) looking forward to the Plugiator and will order as soon as I can... since it is really more of a self-contained device, closer to a consumer product...

Just my $.02... Pls, feel free to disagree...

V

Post by **hubird** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:56 pm

are we ready now to close the subject?

all opinions are more than clear now, and those who need to lick their wounds should start doing it now

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:52 pm

it's becoming increasingly difficult to have a peaceful conversation on planetZ

Neutron · Post by **Neutron** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:58 pm

braincell wrote:You are pretty funny. Can you imagine someone who bought a computer 5 months ago and today buys a Scope Card, rushes to meet the delivery man,
plugs in the card and... oops it doesn't work! Of course they are giving away version 5, to not give it away with new cards would result in half the cards being returned and a lot of bad press. Think about it. The number one operating system in the world and new cards would not run on it?

if they had half a braincell they would have made sure the computer was running an OS that the card was meant to work with. who cares about some flash graphics and dx10, Xp is more about reliability and compatibility.

if you want another ASUS made PC that works with even less things, but is supposedly more reliable..get a mac.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:32 am

I'm sure that version 5 will work at any sampling rate in the current version of Cubase. If this happens, it will mean they *can* fix it but I'm going to bet they won't fix it for previous versions just so they can force more people to buy version 5.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:26 pm

It is not enough to have 4.5. There are 2 versions of 4.5. Why they have the same name I don't know.

Post by **garyb** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:37 pm

that's not true.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:42 pm

braincell wrote:It is not enough to have 4.5. There are 2 versions of 4.5. Why they have the same name I don't know.

The spreader of misinformation.

BTW braincell, did you get the upgrade to Cubase 4 for free? Thought not. You could look at it this way: it's Cubase 4 which is 'forcing' you to get Scope 5.0 by introducing a new bug to ASIO.

Post by **hubird** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:57 pm

that in fact explaines the same name he's talking about.
Both versions are the same, you just pay for the plugs.
It's all discussed before, it's senseless to put it this way.
Needless provocation, and misleading to the lurkers and new members.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:22 pm

I don't think most people bought 4.5. They should have called the paid version 4.5 Pro.

Post by **hubird** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:37 pm

it was the deal of the century...

Post by **garyb** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:47 pm

without a 4.5 key, you aren't using 4.5, even though the 4.5 installer was used. the package is still the 4.0 package without the 4.5 key. this is all just unneeded confusion.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:53 pm

It's like when you buy any software now you get the full software. i use Avid for work and all you do when you buy the Pro versions is buy a key to unlock the Pro parts of the Avid package - you already have the full Avid package in front of you, you just don't necessarily have the licenses for all of the options.

If you bought 4.5 you bought it. If you didn't you didn't and you're not using it. It's that simple. i bought it when it was €98 - i didn't get as many devices relatively for the money as some but i was still happy to pay for what i got (and i didn't obsess about trying to sell the few duplicate keys i had

).