Sonic Core announces Scope 5!

chriskorff · Post by **chriskorff** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:54 am

Braincell, this is the last time I will digress from the topic:

Your hypocrisy is frankly quite stunning; you have offended people on this forum and then cried when other people have offended you. You have posted miles off topic and then complained when other people have done the same. Your recent posts have been neither informative nor helpful (except, ironically, your recent one in the Off Topic forum - that article was quite fascinating! It's a shame you can't maintain that standard elsewhere).

Can you try and maintain a bit of civility, please? People who otherwise wouldn't digress from a given topic have seen fit to complain about your conduct (myself included). As for everyone else, please don't rise to any future antagonism from Braincell, as it only makes these threads even more worthless than they already are.

Cheers!

Chris

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:56 am

I'll try to just keep

-ing

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:57 am

I'm sorry I offended anyone. Keep on topic. Don't post about me please. That is not the topic.

okantah · Post by **okantah** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:18 pm

Mr.braincell just go sell your cards period & go away.
no one here take's you serious any longer,it's shame.but honestly i petty for you b"cos the agency ain't go na pay you any longer for such a fail job.sell pack & go !! i like to see your back going

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:19 pm

Please do not post about me. That is off the topic. I am sorry if I offended you.

ErichG · Post by **ErichG** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:38 pm

braincell wrote:Please do not post about me. That is off the topic. I am sorry if I offended you.

No braincell - as in most of the threads you destroy - you very actively turn every topic into a discussion about you and your views.... lately you seem fixated on this new system being twice the price for ten times the power... um.. ok.. got it...

Really - this is exactly why we are all so frustrated... doesn't it just suck to keep finding people talking about what a jerk you are? Might that not give you some pause for self reflection? Do you not grasp that you have single handedly destroyed your own credibility and that no one gives a second thought to you or your views other than to be annoyed by your presence? Do you really need us to go cite example after example in your own words?

You're right, of course, you are completely off topic. Finally - please grasp that you don't offend anyone - offense comes when someone you respect says something that hurts your feelings... that is hardly the case here... so again - stop making it about you and if you want to stop reading other people's rants about you - start being constructive - say something you haven't already said a dozen times.. is it only a dozen? hmm.. maybe we'll go count.

-E

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:42 pm

I am very sorry I offended you. Let's return to the topic now.

okantah · Post by **okantah** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:50 pm

braincell seems to be sensitive enough for himself not for others.
he went that far to attack Ralph and his colleages personally.i can't understand why he was send to do this ?

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:51 pm

My apology to you and everyone else.

John Cooper · Post by **John Cooper** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:10 pm

Guys,

Stop!
Let it rest.

Braincell has apologized multiple times in the past hour.
Point made.
Point taken.
Point done!

Let's turn our collective will and intelligence towards discussing the topic, rather than beating each other up.

Hey, how bout that new hardware and scope version 5???

I'm Xite'd.

-John

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:26 pm

http://www.sonic-core.net/images/a16-xlr-big.jpg

ErichG · Post by **ErichG** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:34 pm

I'm certainly satisfied. Braincell - thank you - apology accepted.

As to the platform - absolutely can't wait to order... my main objective is in sound design and live mixing... the prospect of endless DSP headroom for monitor mixes, full on drum set-ups, and so on is really exciting to me.

I am concerned by the current paucity of I/O... with this much DSP - and this being the flagship device - I would have hoped for more. Perhaps I've missed something about scaling I/O out with the XTDM...

And, of course, I wonder about stability in the live setting... Will I have to buy two and a completely redundant analog switching network to be confident I can do live broadcasts in large markets? Obviously the answer on one level is "yes" like all things even remotely software based... but I'd really like that to be a more theoretical than real question.

Oh.. and.. there's that nagging issue of the existing automation model... Does Scope 5.0 support OSC?

All the best!

-Erich

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:41 pm

marcuspocus wrote:

http://www.sonic-core.net/images/a16-xlr-big.jpg

*prrrrrt*

I find myself maxing out 36DSPs with 3 synths. I guess I am preparing for what is comming

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:08 pm

FrancisHarmany wrote:
*prrrrrt*

I find myself maxing out 36DSPs with 3 synths. I guess I am preparing for what is comming

Yeah, me too! I hardly even use Scope anymore because it's so addicting that I run out of DSP in five seconds (I have 22). With 140DSP power, it'll start rocking again.

djsainz · Post by **djsainz** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:06 am

Are we supposed to get the official announcement of what Sonic Core V5 comprises today the 15th, or will we have it when it is actually out in May?

I find it quite enigmatic that its the last day of MusikMesse and I was hoping to have full details of the new platform.

Mr-Bit · Post by **Mr-Bit** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:38 am

"Does Scope 5.0 support OSC? "

I doubt it but it is very much needed with this power avalable. Iv'e attempted to build a multiple mod II step sequencer controlled with my Lemur control surface but failed because the system got swamped with midi data.How are we suppose to remote control 140 DSP's worth of devices with midi.

the question should be:

WILL the Scope platform support OSC?

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:14 am

Mr-Bit wrote:"Does Scope 5.0 support OSC? "

I doubt it but it is very much needed with this power avalable. Iv'e attempted to build a multiple mod II step sequencer controlled with my Lemur control surface but failed because the system got swamped with midi data.How are we suppose to remote control 140 DSP's worth of devices with midi.

the question should be:

WILL the Scope platform support OSC?

My question is: What is OSC?

ErichG · Post by **ErichG** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:17 am

Mr-Bit wrote:"Does Scope 5.0 support OSC? "

I doubt it but it is very much needed with this power avalable. Iv'e attempted to build a multiple mod II step sequencer controlled with my Lemur control surface but failed because the system got swamped with midi data.How are we suppose to remote control 140 DSP's worth of devices with midi.

the question should be:

WILL the Scope platform support OSC?

For purposes relating to sound design and live environments - the new platform without OSC would be a terribly cruel joke... Like a Farrari with a Pinto transmission.

If this is not on the radar of SC I would be both surprised and concerned. There have been a number of comments on these threads suggesting that so much DSP is overkill - and that leaves a number of us who are interested in things like large feedback networks with a lot of analog models in the chain, multi-stem/format mixing, and even heavy polyphony, scratching our heads.

Simply stated, It is critical that there be a modern facility for getting real-time parameter-space data in and out of the system. While the fundamental processing capacity of even the existing product has been substantial, its utility in this regard has been severely limited by MIDI generally, and compounded by what always appeared to be a sort of bizarre indifference on the part of the original developers to the automation model of the system.

For those of us that use external tools, like, say, Bidule, to create complicated object models - say data read out of a 3D animation system being mapped into sound models... and who have always had unfulfilled dreams of a unified audio box... this is a make or break issue for the product. (Pardon me if anyone else with these needs feels I shouldn't be putting words in your mouth!)

In the realtime musical control context alone OSC is an extraordinary boon just given its object level addressing and intrinsic network layer. Imagine, for example, a band scenario with a FOH mixer, Monitor mixer, and possibly musician interfaces and maybe a keyboard player with five different keyboards and controllers that you need to map onto a creaming in your pants collection of synths running on the Xite along with FOH and six totally separate monitor mixes.

One could take a monolithic approach and plug all the flying fader packs, and keyboards, and other I./O devices into the main Xite box, and load up the PC with monitor cards, and whatever native software like Bidule and Live... and have one giant point of failure with a dynamic software environment. Oh.. and you'd have to create a pretty complex MIDI network to map into THE ONE MIDI CHANNEL you get to talk to on the 48 channel mixer... and.. well.. there wouldn't be enough MIDI capacity in the first place.

With OSC, one is free to use as many separate PCs/Laptops as you want to create your control network, and leave your audio engine as one nice stable invariant box with minimized UI operation (given the distribution of control).

If SC is trying to create a product for the next ten years - OSC is the safe bet for a control model. If there are more robust, better supported, free-er contenders, I am not aware of them and would like to be.

Someone please - tell me this is happening!

Regards,
E

nightscope · Post by **nightscope** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:47 am

ErichG wrote:bizarre indifference on the part of the original developers to the automation model of the system.

New automation is top of my wishlist for the new product, period. By a long way. More power and modern fully featured and functioning RELIABLE automation, Cap'n. I want to be able to control everything with real faders and pots. The present system is very, very weak.

To not implement it will exclude armies of potential professional buyers at a stroke.

ns

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:08 pm

Agreed. +1.