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if they're human, they are deviant.
they claim to be a seperate species, bred through centuries of careful mating....
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they say no, and they say that's what makes them superior(Bertran Russell is one who said they are different). you live in europe, you know how nobility works....a bunch of sister impregnating, sibling killing, dirty tricksters with bad habits that live in nice palaces and wear nice clothes that make them look special in public...and some of them aren't even nice... :lol: they call themselves "bluebloods" (as opposed to redbloods) and have their own food that they grow specially on their own land and have their own special doctors.
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its worth asking why US has one of the largest prison populations in the world (I think US has highest per capita then Russia, then China)

imo its about social control, in large part it was used to break the civil rights movement in the US
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When talking about these kinds of topics: new prisons, increased number of offenders, more repression and control, new unknown illnesses, accelerated degradation of the habitat by man, more wars coming up, less deference and respect between people, extremes amounts of sexual abuse to our own body, right-violations everywhere in every sense, extreme abuse of drugs and alcohol, many more psychological distortions in our youth, more social problems, more racial problems, more political problems, job extortions, and so forth and so forth… I’m always surprised at the fact that nobody questions what is going on with HUMAN BEINGS themselves!

I mean, most of us would simply suggest new laws to control such and such problem, offering new legislations, new governments, new ways of facing up problems in general, but without realising that “the problem” (whichever it may be), it is in fact nothing but a secondary force or manifestation of the real problem, which lies behind…

But which is the REAL PROBLEM behind it all? To me: ourselves! Human beings!

I am completely and seriously convinced about the imminent fact that our human race is degrading, is degenerating at high speed in both ways, psychological as well as physically. The problem we are facing right now, has not solution through conventional means, because the problem of our human race lies within ourselves, no law or new government, or war, or anything at all will change this panorama, unless we, every single individual, changes itself.

As long as there is the principle of war within human beings, there will be wars outside as well. As long as we hold hard onto competition instate of cooperation, there will be pain. As long as we carry anger within ourselves, there will be destruction.

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the world is NOT overcrowded!

it's mostly empty space, it's just that they have been moving people out of the countryside for years into cities, which have been overcrowded since the dark ages and before.(once more, this is spelled out in the UN "agenda for the 21st century")

it's that the good shepherds are bad shepherds....
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I´m right with Gary on this,
There´s basically both resources and space enough
they are just VERY unevenly distributed. :(

If I was very paranoid, it might strike me that having a lot of people
concentrated in well-defined areas, and not-selfsustaining,
would make them easy targets.. 8)

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ding, ding, ding!
a winner!
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garyb wrote:the world is NOT overcrowded!
I prefer to consider the world is not and will be not overcrowded, facing with kind of abuses like those pointed out by the link posted by Zer.
Prisons of course are overcrowded.
My opinions is: the resources are not enough if the trend is to rise the standard of living for everybody. At least until rising of standards has the same meaning it has at today.
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[not really directed at you personally stardust, just a general rant]
SHEER UNADULTERATED BULLPLOP!

TAKE YOUR AGENDA 21 MAPS AND YOUR PLANS FOR KILLING 6 BILLION AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR ----- :lol:

so there are a lot of people, you better love that being one yourself, you twisted sick person who hates your own kind! really, is there a worse kind of brainwashing?

this is right up there with "stable climate" as a ridiculous concept!

once more! Al Gore, the current spokesman, is an oil man and sspends $30,000 a month on electricity! imagine is HE and THOSE LIKE HIM weren't such pigs! there's no crisis, just a bunch of greedy bluebloods who think the have more right to life and liberty than you do! who else are the spokesmen for these policies? well there's that little Rothschild b*stard(David) who is making handbooks for us to learn how to be better global slaves, how much money and resources do they control? well, all the world's money supply and ALL the gold, silver, oil, platinum, copper, diamonds, coal etc, through the banking system...

gullible, gullible, gullible. people think they're smart because they can regurgitate without any real understanding or thought....

these guys that control all resources and tell us how we are going to use them blame US for waste, when we are only using the system set up for us that we were born into. these guys who claim to OWN everything are the one's to blame, if there's to be a purge, it's the "nobility" and the bankers and leaders of business that should be murdered. the "best and the brightest" are the true traitors to the earth and to mankind. there's plenty of food, water and energy for everyone, but not the will to share it and make the world a pleasant place.
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first off i thought this thread was going off topic, but i see point now;

"its no problem, there are plenty of space for more/bigger prisons"
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it HAS gone off topic, yet these things are connected. there is a serious lack of respect for human life that is being propagated.

stardust, it is getting a <little> personal now. it's obvious you aren't actually reading what i am writing, or you are just not comprehending, possibly with purpose. please don't condesend to me by speaking of aliens or similar unprovable stuff. what i wrote was in-your-face obvious and common sense. anyone who observed the situation rationally would come to the same conclusion. it's just like "burger eating". how did the "public" get the idea that this was a good, no a GREAT thing? how was McDonalds funded? BIG things don't just happen, they are the direct result of planning, anyone with sense can see this. 10 billion, 20 billion and you're worried? the total population is at 6 1/2 billion and it's not growing exponentially as the fear mongering press would suggest with graphs showing what would happen if it did. in fact, in industrialized nations, like your beloved Germany, there is NEGATIVE popultaion growth. all this overpopulation nonsense serves the same purpose as the prisons, targeting those who are seen as having "defective genes" and thinning the herd. i don't get this idea on my own, i get it from the United Nations' documentation, from official policy in many of the world's governments and from eugenicists like Thomas and Aldous Huxley, from Margaret Sanger from Carroll Quigley and Helmut Schmidt, from David de Rothschild and the clan of Orange, from Cecil Rhodes and Adolph Hitler, from Henry Ford and Walt Disney and Prescott Bush and Stalin and Mao and David Rockefellor. i will NOT follow these clowns any longer, nor will i listen to their willing or unknowing collaborators trying to make me feel like this was all MY idea.

there's no more manufacturing in the United States, except in the prison system. don't worry, the people who sold America out work for the same people who most other countries' leaders work for. they're planning to sell you all out too.
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all i am saying is that we are NOT overpopulated at the moment. the resources are badly allocated and wasted, but there's NO shortages that aren't man made. no one is saying we shouldn't be responsible. to hell with the rhetoric! also, you are still not responding directly, you are responding with stock responses. explain the NEGATIVE population growth in the so-called first world and then how that shows that we are in grave danger. the only places in the world where population is growing currently, is in the places where life is hardest, hmmm strange. of course, lots of children doesn't mean many of them live very long...

it's easy to see how a man like Hitler could rise to power. everyone agreed with his ideas of efficiency, mandatory physical fitness and health care, mandatory attendance to state run schools(laws which where just upheld this week in Deutschland), the abuse of a boogieman, and the euthanasia of the crippled, dying, insane and retarded. efficiency over humanity, what a disgusting, immoral, and repulsive system.

i don't give a bleep about "elites" or any of the condescending terms that you use to pigeon-hole what i say and avoid the reality. i only write about them, because they control the press and the resources, and the mind-controlling public relations industry. if that's true(and it obviously is), then the public hasn't made the desicions, we just go along with the propaganda. the problem is not people and their unworthyness to exist.

the solution isn't a global taxing system and organization of control over people. the solution isn't putting the jerks who made the problem in charge of the solution. it's funny you mention the "darwinistic arguement". you are making the "darwinistic arguement" yourself. his supporters are the founders of the world wildlife fund, planned parenthood and eugenics. you have been programmed to fear overpopulation and climate change to the point of irrationality. the REAL environmental problems are things like 100's of 1000's of gallons of old nerve gas dumped in the atlantic. who did that? who dumps millions of gallons of toxic waste from chrome plating operations? oh, PEOPLE in general, right? wrong. it's the very greediest at the top who set EVERY policy.

it's easier to whine about how bad we all are and allow billions of your own brothers and sisters to be eliminated, than to root out the REAL evil among us. how shameful and disgusting. it's easier to take a superior attitude over one's own impoverished and mislead BLOOD kin(and they ALL are BLOOD kin!), than to raise them ALL up, how sinful! how twisted that someone will cry over a cat or dog or bird, fish or frog and yet turn their back on a fellow human being!

back on topic, this is how evryone is put in jails in the so-called "land of the free". we're told "crime" is running rampant and that we must be "tough on crime" and scared, ignorant suburbanites who know nothing more of reality than the little circles they live in go along with what "experts" say, even if there aren't really any more bad people than there ever were.....

for the greater good, yes. but you may not disrespect the individual. there is no society worthwhile and human life is meaningless without the individual.
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Interesting discussion w/ many valid points on all sides.

Funny how the internet seems to be the place where one can search for truth.

Must be true, I found it via a book in school or from a google search !!

Perhaps if one visited an Indian Reseravation personally they would have a better understanding.

Gardnerville, NV. Many of my Paiute firends suffer from an excessive life style, that's about it.

Scottsdale, AZ. Several of Wilma's Pima friends don't know what to do w/ with their money. They are actually helping her to finance a fitness gym on one of their Golf Courses.

Oh yes and what about those poor, poor Fox, and Mohegan brotha's of mine up in Connecticutt.

Yeah, when I visited the girls at Foxwoods Casino, I was granted premission to drive through their " Ghetto ". Amazing.

Reading these posts I can see why Googles stock has risen so high.

Burger Eating Culture?

I like that one especially.

I can't even get a good burger anymore unless I go to " Fat Burger". Now days political correctness has made the " Burger " joints like Mickey Dee's full of healthy variety. It disgusts me.

I would never speak of things I don't have personal knowledge of by visiting myself. World Media definately has done it's work quite well. The terrible news gets most of the attention unfortunately.

When I visit Europe this year I plan to visit some members here which I keep in contact with, and have chosen sites like the engineering marvels of the water control in the Netherlands, American cemetaries in Belgium and France, the stunning castles of Europe, and many great restaraunts and ancient battlegrounds. This is something I have always wanted to do.


Perhaps I can get a great tasting disgusting burger over in Europe, w/ extra cheese also, and grilled Onions. Wilma can have the rasberry salad and Kiwi juice. I like FAT synthesizers, and FAT grotesque charred animal flesh.

My parents raised us to say a prayer ay every meal for thankfulness of the bounty and hope for the starving people of the world, I actually still think about that whenever I eat.


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just a thought on overpopulation:

Most of us here are artists. We work with human imagination, and dream. That is a mighty force, that is the drive for evolution.

So there are a lot of humans: great! We are the cutting edge of life on Earth - all of us, so because we are many, it means that we have a lot more power at our disposal to effectively make a change.

Every person is the planet, and every person carries a whole universe.

The "people" who are currently running the show have no other power than to convince everybody else of their version of reality - by force and dishonest means if necessary. The world we imagine inside our minds is constantly under attack. Why do people all over the world share the same fears and paranoias? Because we're spoon-fed these bits of disinformation as the ONE company takes over. Subtilely, then overtly, we are fed lies and then expected to take decisions. Collective memory is replaced by "history" and man-made archetipical stories of deception, impotence, mistrust...

When consciousness raping is a crime, then the jails will really fill.

Elections aren't won through argumentation, clarification... it's a monkey game, spitting out slogans and war chants! Public attention is diverted to whatever is NOT the main issue - who are we, how could we do this better?

Famine, poverty, climatic change, disease - all these are, if not man-made, at least sustained by men. It could all be over in a few months. But the market needs rich and poor, needs panic, needs need.

So, back to my point: as artists, we work with human imagination and soul. We have the power, not only to inspire those around us, and those who listen, but to actually create a whole atmosphere of harmony and vibration that surrounds us and them: music is vibration - physical, tangible vibration but with a deep psychological dimension (ome sounds we call "music"). This is extremely powerful stuff - for awakening, healing or numbing degradation.

We can be overt or subtle, but we are the ones who have to remind the others that WE, TOGETHER, have the power to change our world. If all we're aiming for is public recognition or some sort of worshiping, then it's show business, just a job that pays, like pouring toxic waste in the Atlantic.

Quoting a famous signature here on Z, "music is the most powerful language in the world...".

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as a language, yes, as a political weapon no, not so much.
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Hubird, yes and no...

We had a revolution in Portugal in 1974, when the dictatorship was overruled. This was done without a single gunshot.

The signal for action was a song on the radio. A protest song, written by a protest singer, about a city that lived in a state of freedom.

Those songs, utopian songs about freedom and the power of the human spirit were actually the guidelines for post-revolution state-of-mind. The revolution was prepared in song, then laid in practice. That was something the people could understand and relate to. There were bad things too, and for sure those idillic days didn't last, but all in all...

But in many other ways, music has always been a powerful political weapon. Think about national(istic) songs, or cyber-techno raves, for example. Think about how native song is being replaced by bubblegum pop with lame ideals. Think about gangster culture, sex and drug culture being hyped and pushed to the masses. A song can enter your consciousness by many doors...

I agree that it takes more than just music - it takes human energy, will and power. Music can harmonize, synchronize, inspire and energize, but it takes a person to actually act.


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hubird wrote:as a language, yes, as a political weapon no, not so much.
"Strange Fruits" by Billie Holiday song was voted the Song of the Century.

Strange Fruit - Lewis Allan

Southern trees bear a strange fruit,
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,
Black bodies swinging in the Southern breeze,
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.

Pastoral scene of the gallant South,
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth,
Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh,
Then the sudden smell of burning flesh!

Here is a fruit for the crows to pluck,
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck,
For the sun to rot, for the trees to drop,
Here is a strange and bitter crop.

These are the "fruits" she refered to:
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Stardust, once again you have used rhetoric to completely disregard what i said. reread it and think before you post. people are MOSTLY good, but their minds are controlled by professionals with thousands of years of practice.

talking about your borthers and sisters is NOT rhetoric, it's reality and YOUR attitude is the exact kind that lets evil spread and rule. if you think that there are too many people, start by eliminating yourself. personally, i don't think you should, but it's your reality....

and you STILL haven't told me who finances all those mega burger chains and their ads. WHO invented and finaced public relations as a business?(i know, but i bet you haven't even thought about it) you'd be surprised that the same people that fund the "burger culture" of greed and waste are funding your bogus "green movement". but i know you won't double check me on this because you'd rather sound right than be right. haha! greenpeace and chase manhattan bank have the same backers! :lol: why do they want you dead? because death and destruction is how evil rises to power.

Tau-when you wrote "The "people" who are currently running the show have no other power than to convince everybody else of their version of reality - by force and dishonest means if necessary. The world we imagine inside our minds is constantly under attack. Why do people all over the world share the same fears and paranoias? Because we're spoon-fed these bits of disinformation as the ONE company takes over. Subtilely, then overtly, we are fed lies and then expected to take decisions. Collective memory is replaced by "history" and man-made archetipical stories of deception, impotence, mistrust...

When consciousness raping is a crime, then the jails will really fill.

Elections aren't won through argumentation, clarification... it's a monkey game, spitting out slogans and war chants! Public attention is diverted to whatever is NOT the main issue - who are we, how could we do this better?

Famine, poverty, climatic change, disease - all these are, if not man-made, at least sustained by men. It could all be over in a few months. But the market needs rich and poor, needs panic, needs need."
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stardust wrote:Probably that is what makes gary so insistent about his insights.
But it might not reach everyone.
worse than that, it will certainly be ignored just like people will talk about overpopulation and yet completely ignore the FACT that the US, UK, Germany and Japan are all experiencing NEGATIVE population growth, to the point that there aren't enough young people to take care of the old.

oh well, that's ok, just euthanize 'em.....
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here's where we are likely to lose friendship.

you continue to misrepresent what i am saying and condescend with your "elite conspiracy" brush off.

who do you work for? if there is an "elite conspiracy" then we are all doomed anyway? if there IS one, wouldn't it be a better idea to admit it and then do something else?

you think i don't think it's a good idea to not be wasteful?

i just don't think you know squat about the "carrying capacity of the earth".

YOU are running from responsibility when you contiunue to empower those who have lied to humanity for ages, leaving them in charge of setting the parameters for debate. if you are willing to disregard the actual effect of power, money, control and the STUDY of humanity for the purpose of control, then YOU are part of the problem.

the real problems in this world could be fixed quite quickly if not for the purposeful confusion and that's NOT a theory, it's a fact. otherwise, there would NEVER be a guiding principle like "ordo ab chao". do you really think that there's not enough for the starving? i've already pointed out the REAL greed and swinedom of the "leaders" of the current green movement Al Gore(oilman and $30,000 a month electricity bill on just ONE of his residences) and David de Rothschild(personal wealth and holdings controlled in the BILLIONS of dollars), yet you will follow what they say? THIS IS HOW HITLER TOOK CONTROL OF GERMANY, through good, intelligent and well meaning people. next step, concentration camps(mandated by the UN and already built in the US), all for the good of the planet, just like killing Jews...

do you know why people who graduate university wear those square hats? to represent their squared off heads(no really! it's called the perfected ashlar stone. the stone that was made imperfect by god, but has been perfected by man.). it represents the dumbing down of the individual via education, that the recipient is now stupid enough to be an important building block in an irrational, imaginary system.....GIGO.

if we continue to believe in these clowns who call themselves "experts" without learning how to observe and think for ourselves, then we certainly ARE doomed. we will be collared, leashed and implanted, by the shepherd who thinks that he owns us.
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