Is this what you are talking about Gary - The Illuminati?

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:17 pm

Bingo, I don't know how I would call them but if you continue wearing them you certainly won't be happy. Anyway, knowing some of your points of view I don't really believe you're interested in a open conversation, I think you just want to prove wrong whatever challenges your own conceptions of things, but I may be mistaken... The proof of the existence of God and of the truths to which I refer will come from your own experiences, nothing else. I'm not in the business of convincing anyone of anything, I simply kindly share some hard-won insights with my brothers here.

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:29 pm

garyb wrote:both the Rockefellors and the UN have declared China to be the model government....

i didn't watch this movie yet, but from a quick glance yeah, at least some of this is what's going on.

eliam, i agree with you, we can't take these clowns too seriously or allow ourelves to give them more power that way, but we can't ignore them either. the bigger power they are afraid of is us.

That's the whole point. Don't give power to the powerless cowards who think they have power.
Killing us all off still leaves them all fighting amongst themselves anyways.

Greg

Post by **garyb** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:42 pm

really though, i think this whole illuminati thing is a little too hollywood for my tastes. the real thing is much more malevolent and real, like a baseball bat to the head or a severed limb or cancer. the real sick thing about it, is that it requires us to accept it for it to have power at all, and so you see people defending points of veiw based on realities that are manufactured at best denying the beast's teeth at their breast and it's putrid breath in their nose, or they see it and think if they deify it, it will ally itself, but this thing is an enemy and a predator and will not ally itself with prey, except for in the way that a human allies with the sheep that it preys on.....

sorry for laughing! no wonder no one can take such a thing seriously! hollywood really did a number on us with all those bad, bad movies.

wasn't it Lao Tzu who said that "he will rule who will do the things that the others couldn't even consider."? or something like that.....

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:33 pm

a few similar...

“To lead people, walk beside them... As for the best leaders, the people do not notice their existence. The next best, the people honor and praise. The next, the people fear; and the next, the people hate... When the best leader's work is done the people say, 'We did it ourselves!'”

"A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves. "

"If the Great Way perishes there will morality and duty. When cleverness and knowledge arise great lies will flourish. When relatives fall out with one another there will be filial duty and love. When states are in confusion there will be faithful servants. "

"When a nation is filled with strife, then do patriots flourish."

Greg

Post by **garyb** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:51 pm

advice to the ruler. sounds nice, but truly it's the drop of venom on the fang.

it's visible, just behind the veil.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:04 am

no you aren't helpless, you can say "no thanks".

irony fully engaged, but serious.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:28 am

eliam wrote: I'm not in the business of convincing anyone of anything, I simply kindly share some hard-won insights with my brothers here.

I have no problems with that.
I just tried to explain my point of view which you believed threatened your beliefs.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:25 am

BingoTheClowno wrote:
eliam wrote:..... so we remember our Divine Self instead of human filth.

What human filth?

What human filth? Haaaaaa ha ha... what a good joke! What human filth... ho yea baby... ha ha ha...

This must be the ultimate sarcasm I have ever heard in my entire life!!!

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:20 pm

stardust wrote:its about the 2 poles the so called good and the bad things, the stupid and the wise things,...... a human being can do or can leave.
So there is (hu-)man made filth as there are manmade joy and brightness.

Exactly

This is what I mean too.

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:02 pm

Not sure I've the plenty understanding of what this thread is about.
Since half an hour my ADSL provider is refusing my ID and PW when I try to hook up, so i'm currently surfing at 56Kb (33.6 being exact) at now, and I can't see the video.

I intend however to spend some word about all this conspiracivism (hope you'll understand what I mean) become so fashionable at today.

IMHO the great cloud of dust generated come in usefull to the rotten to better hide itself.

This just anyway remind me of some technique used for the black out of internet servers.

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:34 pm

Don't get swallowed into these currents! It's worth giving it some attention just to be less naive and more prepared for what's ahead, but never forget it is a mental and emotional war first, unworthy of more attention than what's strictly needed to get the picture. Mankind's evil is not pretty to watch, and I actually can tell you that even those who study the sinister plans barely scratch the surface of the crust of the shit that's really going on under the cover. That's fine like that, there are things we just don't need to know to remain sane and go on with our lives.

I mean, this is not a secret that we have to cooperate with Powers of Light beyond our un-reality so They can release the Miracles that we need in order to survive as a species -and a planet. We clearly can't do that of our own, on our side of things... We have to be the Open Door through which Divine Love can be radiated upon this planet and the mistakes, corrected. There is no use kidding ourselves, the only protection there is cannot be given on the human side of life, it can only come from Realms of Light, whose existence is denied by the majority. We are at the point where whether we aknowledge our Divine Inheritance and go on in the Divine Plan's Fulfillment or we remain in our misery until we can't stand the torture anymore and reach out to what's greater than ourselves. Of course Life always answer a sincere call, there's no question about it.

This means we have to be pure and worthy for the close association with Cosmic Beings and Angelic Beings whose Light and Power are so beyond anything we know that's it's inconceivable for us. We have to be cleansed of any element of deceit, lie and anything which is not Pure Divine Love. Any feeling that tries to bind others, through criticism, fear, irritation just surely comes back to bind the sender, while Love just gives the freedom to others and creates the same for who sends it. This the law of cause and effect, nothing we don't already know! The cleansing of the body from alcohol, all intoxicants, meat and so on is also imperative, in order for the body and brain to become atuned to Higher Frequencies. Otherwise we just couldn't stand the surge of Light which is needed at this time and we stay tuned to the lower rates of vibrations, and there is no happiness there!

If you have the openness of Heart to take these things seriously, then don't miss your opportunity and meditate upon your True Potential often, for what you meditate upon, you inexorably become. The state of the world today is the result of what mankind has meditated upon in the past, and I think it is time we set new trends, trends of peace and compassion and gentleness toward all life!

Before anyone send rebellious feelings, please, please, read the last sentence and ask yourself what you want to send forth. I don't deny anyone's freedom of opinion by stating my own point of view.

Be at peace

petal · Post by **petal** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:45 am

I'm sorry to say this Eliam, since you are clearly doing it in a good spirit, but it sounds to me that you are preaching, which always makes me sceptic, as anything else religious, evil or good...

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:23 am

He is addressing his brothers only.

eliam wrote: I'm not in the business of convincing anyone of anything, I simply kindly share some hard-won insights with my brothers here.

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:37 am

don't exclude yourself from my family Bingo, you won't get away that easy!