Promising - maybe 4.13Installed cubase 4.12 - the asio problem stays.
Cubase 4.1.2 UPDATE
I just discovered the "Arranger Editor". It is a little like Ableton Live. When playing the parts live, it does not record the changes though. Obviously you could record it into an audio track through Scope. It's probably better to play with the arranger parts live and when you know what you like, program them to play in the arranger editor on the left side which is easy to use. Once you have the arrangement the way you want, you can "flatten" it and it becomes a normal Cubase sequence tracks. I hope that makes sense. Essentially, it is a sequencer within a sequencer.
The "arranger" options used to be called "play order track" which confused me as the SX 4 printed manual is now wrong plus there are more options.
It took me an evening to figure this out and I will be using it a lot.
The "arranger" options used to be called "play order track" which confused me as the SX 4 printed manual is now wrong plus there are more options.
It took me an evening to figure this out and I will be using it a lot.
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King of Snake
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on the Cubase forum, Chris Beuermann wrote:
Hello,
I can say it is not an Steinberg problem (I have all the Email between Steinberg and the manufactuer of the Creamware Scope). With the latest 4.1 update we revieled a problem with the driver of this card and some Emu drivers. We cooperatet with Emu and with the manufactures of the Creamware Scope card by sending our findings and provided them several moths ago with a copy of Cubase 4 so they can check it. When we should have broke something in the ASIO area then no ASIO driver should work.
More info I cannot give, but we did our best regarding this issue.
Gr,
Chris
B$!King of Snake wrote:on the Cubase forum, Chris Beuermann wrote:
Hello,
I can say it is not an Steinberg problem (I have all the Email between Steinberg and the manufactuer of the Creamware Scope). With the latest 4.1 update we revieled a problem with the driver of this card and some Emu drivers. We cooperatet with Emu and with the manufactures of the Creamware Scope card by sending our findings and provided them several moths ago with a copy of Cubase 4 so they can check it. When we should have broke something in the ASIO area then no ASIO driver should work.
More info I cannot give, but we did our best regarding this issue.
Gr,
Chris
it WAS working, there is an update and it doesn't work, and although good ole Chris wants to pretend that it's just Scope cards having this problem, it's not. is it a problem between the two apps? possibly, but this passing of the buck stinks of bad faith and bad programming, a shame because i really like cubase.
you know, cubase 4 has been an abortion from the get-go. good job Yamaha!
At least there are Cubase upgrades. There are no Scope platform upgrades. They ought to do us all a favor and make it open source instead of just doing nothing with it; hopefully they would still be able to sell a few of their outrageously over-priced cards. If they can't fix an important bug, they don't deserve this company.
Obviously Steinberg doesn't care because there are so few Scope users! Ultimately customers don't care who is at fault. Cubase is the clear sequencer of choice for most people since Apple in all of it's glorious wisdom decided to royally screw 90,000 and growing Logic Audio PC users.
I'm curious if you email Sonic Core support about this what do they say? Are they even decent enough to answer your email? Do they blame Steinberg and say they are not going to fix it? This is outrageous.
Obviously Steinberg doesn't care because there are so few Scope users! Ultimately customers don't care who is at fault. Cubase is the clear sequencer of choice for most people since Apple in all of it's glorious wisdom decided to royally screw 90,000 and growing Logic Audio PC users.
I'm curious if you email Sonic Core support about this what do they say? Are they even decent enough to answer your email? Do they blame Steinberg and say they are not going to fix it? This is outrageous.
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Mr Arkadin
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i gave up on Steinberg a long time ago. Maybe Scope hasn't had as many updates as Cubase, but you know what, Scope is still good - Cubase just becomes more and more awful with every 'upgrade'. They have really lost their vision and customer support and the forums are almost the worst i've ever dealt with. i'm still using VST5.1 until i decide which platform to go with. You know VST5 works quite happily with Scope and that's on the original Steinberg VST format and the fault is with Scope? You've got to be kidding braincell.
You have a lot of nerve to comment on recent Cubase upgrades when you don't even use them! I am very happy with their progress. The 4.1 update offered a lot of new devices, better sound quality and new features and it was free.
I don't even visit their forum since I never have a problem with Cubase and can figure everything out.
I don't even visit their forum since I never have a problem with Cubase and can figure everything out.
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Mr Arkadin
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i have used SX3 at my partners house for months. Didn't get on with at all so decided to stick with something that worked simply. That combined with their general attitude with their "Dear valued customer" BS and yes, i haven't tried 4 because of that.braincell wrote:You have a lot of nerve to comment on recent Cubase upgrades when you don't even use them! I am very happy with their progress. The 4.1 update offered a lot of new devices, better sound quality and new features and it was free.
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Mr Arkadin
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That's funny. I was unhappy with Cubase after the Atari version until the SX versions. I did have something wrong with a Creamware board(s) that I no longer use. It caused constant crashing about every 10 minutes and I seemed to be the only person with this problem in this forum. Now that I removed both of the cards ($2,000 wasted), my system is stable with the newer Creamware cards. That was expensive and nobody cares.
Perhaps you too have one of the original bad cards that I had?
Perhaps you too have one of the original bad cards that I had?
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Mr Arkadin
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The only crash with Creamware card i've ever had is with the Modular system, perhaps with STS too (it's been a while since i used it). Yes it would be nice to have things like that fixed, but that's not really a show stopper for me and i've had a stable system since 2.04 on a Mac with Cubase VST3.7 i think it was. i've followed Cubase since the Atari days too, and for me they've just lost the plot.
It's nothing to do with crashing - i just thought SX was crap, then they're customer service just became a joke. You might say the same about Creamware, but Steinberg are supposed to be a major player and certainly have a higher profile than Creamware ever would, so i expect better.
I've gone from Mac to PC, VST5 to SX3 back to VST5, tried reaper, Samplitude 10 etc and the one working constant in that has been my Creamware cards - the rest is just i don't care about as long as it works.
i think you must have been unlucky with your cards and maybe if you had exchanged them at the time the next ones would have OK - of course this is easier said with hindsight as you probably thought it was user/computer problems rather than the cards. Have you tried using the cards as expanders to your current good ones?
It's nothing to do with crashing - i just thought SX was crap, then they're customer service just became a joke. You might say the same about Creamware, but Steinberg are supposed to be a major player and certainly have a higher profile than Creamware ever would, so i expect better.
I've gone from Mac to PC, VST5 to SX3 back to VST5, tried reaper, Samplitude 10 etc and the one working constant in that has been my Creamware cards - the rest is just i don't care about as long as it works.
i think you must have been unlucky with your cards and maybe if you had exchanged them at the time the next ones would have OK - of course this is easier said with hindsight as you probably thought it was user/computer problems rather than the cards. Have you tried using the cards as expanders to your current good ones?
It's true what you said. Yes I tried them as expanders. Right now they are sitting idle in another computer that I never use. It worked alright for light tasks but with 11 DSP chips, I expect a lot more. It would be nowhere near the DSP peak when I would get the blue screen of death.
Now I never get the blue screen of death unless I shut down my computer without first closing Scope. That is kind of annoying and it seems like back programming to me because nothing else does that.
Now I never get the blue screen of death unless I shut down my computer without first closing Scope. That is kind of annoying and it seems like back programming to me because nothing else does that.
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Mr Arkadin
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Are you running XP? On the rare occasion i shut down without closing Scope first i just get the Scope window and the Scope message about saving the project or not. If i dive in quickly at that stage nothing untoward happens. If i don't it still shuts down. i have never, ever seen the blue screen of death on my computer with regards to anything, let alone Scope.braincell wrote: Now I never get the blue screen of death unless I shut down my computer without first closing Scope. That is kind of annoying and it seems like back programming to me because nothing else does that.
the asio and seq midi modules are the actual physical ports for the application in the virtual world. when you close scope first, you close those ports, creating a paradox for the sequencer application, "where are my ports, which i have but don't have?!" and so it crashes, and so does everything else....or kinda like that..
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