Hi,
I just recently decided to get a Scope card, it is second hand but comes with a lot of stuff. Basically I am interested in the softsynths as I tend to believe that the fx stuff doesn´t (havent heard them yet though) stack up to Powercore or UAD-1 which I already have.
I hear a lot of positive comments about the modular, but just looking at it, it seems fiddly and complex. What could I read to understand modular systems and sound design? I don´t like that hardware patching UI, it looks cluttered. I would have prefered a more intuitive GUI.
My card comes with these:
"bx_digital" "bx_digital_update" "DAS SL9000 "DAS N1084EQ" "DAS A550EQ" "DAS Polteq" "DAS RMX160" "DAS Daynpara_ms" "DAS 2A" "DAS 1610" "Spectral Balance Controller" "dynatube JM" "dynatube FT" "dynatube MB" "dynatube VX" "dynatubeBASS_SW" "dynatubeBASS_AG" "Scope Fusion Platform" "Main Studiotools Package" "Mixer Package 1" "Mixer Package 2" "Synthesizer Package 1" "Synthesizer Package 2" "Effects Package 1" "Effects Package 2" "SCOPE 4.0 Software" "Pulsar Application" "Pulsar PRO Package" "Pulsar XTC" "Scope SP Application" "Scope SP Mixer" "Luna" "Luna3" "Luna Mixer (RM242)" "Luna Mixer (SM166)" "Modular V2 / Elektra" "Modular V3" "Volkszampler" "Power Sampler" "STS-2000P" "STS-3000" "STS-4000" "STS-5000" "Arpeg 01" "Arpeg 02" "OptiMaster""PSY Q"" "B-2003" "CreamWare Pro One" "ProdysseyNOAH" "CreamWare Pro12" "Interpole" "VDAT" "Grenzfrequenz Synchrotron" "SPL Attacker" "SPL Transient Designer" "Zarg Master Class" "Zarg Orion V2" "Zarg Orion Custom" "Zarg Comb Pro 2" "Zarg Dark Star" "Zarg Ambient" "Zarg Red Dwarf" "Zarg Rotor Seq" "Zarg Rotor Jr." "Zarg Pro One" "Zarg Python Pro" "Zarg RD Module Pack" "Zarg Prophet" "Zarg Prophet Plus" "Zarg Orion Custom EX" "Z-Plane Z.Matrix" "Poison FM" "Master Verb Pro" "Vintage Compressor" "Vocodizer" "GraphEQ" "Minimax" "Vectron" "SB 404" "EDS 16i"
I plan to complete this with some others of Mr John Bowens synths, like Solaris and Q Wave. What else am I missing?
What does Void and Cos sound like? Can´t find any audio demos of some of these plugs.
Tutorials or...stuff
that comes with a lot of good stuff (I've often thought its probably cheaper to look out for a secondhand card stuffed with goodies, rather than buying all the plug-ins & synths new). You should listen to the fx & then comment 
as to what are you missing... I'd play with everything you have first before buying new stuff (I wish I had half of what you have there)
with the modular, I'd start with reading the manual before reading anything else general about modular systems or sound design
as to what are you missing... I'd play with everything you have first before buying new stuff (I wish I had half of what you have there)
with the modular, I'd start with reading the manual before reading anything else general about modular systems or sound design
the stuff on that card kicks UAD's butt!
it's REALTIME and many of those plugins are HIGHER quality than anything on the UAD card(i'm thinking of the BX Digital, which UAD doesn't have anything comparable and the DAS stuff...).
whatever you like is the best thing, but it's my opinion that if you really think that UAD has better effects(not that there aren't cool effects on the UAD that you may prefer for this or that, how can you have too many compressors?), then you are a victim of marketing.
it's REALTIME and many of those plugins are HIGHER quality than anything on the UAD card(i'm thinking of the BX Digital, which UAD doesn't have anything comparable and the DAS stuff...).
whatever you like is the best thing, but it's my opinion that if you really think that UAD has better effects(not that there aren't cool effects on the UAD that you may prefer for this or that, how can you have too many compressors?), then you are a victim of marketing.
As I said, I just assumed, I haven´t even recieved the card yet! The guy whom I bought it from said though that he believed UAD to be above Scope for vintage sound fx. My ears will tell me my story though!garyb wrote:the stuff on that card kicks UAD's butt!
it's REALTIME and many of those plugins are HIGHER quality than anything on the UAD card(i'm thinking of the BX Digital, which UAD doesn't have anything comparable and the DAS stuff...).
whatever you like is the best thing, but it's my opinion that if you really think that UAD has better effects(not that there aren't cool effects on the UAD that you may prefer for this or that, how can you have too many compressors?), then you are a victim of marketing.
Yes, this is a lot of stuff, but having invested in it I´d just like to "scope" the stuff available and then narrow in on the tools I like best, that´s why I asked for other plugs that aren´t in the pack, for info.
no biggie either way. your opinion is as valid as anyone's, i've just found that most people telling others about what gear is the best emulation of vintage gear, or even just high quality hardware have often actually had very little experience with either rare vintage or high end hardware...
it often seems that the most opinionated souls have never been in a $3000 a day room or even seen a real 1176....-
hubird
as you have not yet recieved the stuff, its not good to judge about it
generally all cw stuff sounds very close to real gear, not only the synths but also the fx.
don`t get fooled by the better gui designs of other companies... the creamware gui looks a bit "childish" compared to uad, which is a sign where they concentrate their menwork on.
talking about the modular, i`ve checked different vstis and the cw modular is very intuitive. Don`t be afraid.
To get in starting, I recommend to first read the mod3 manual to get an idea of what the different modules do.
If you are not familiar with modular stuff, you will get an overflow of information in your brain -> at first.
then you could start by loading different patches, recabling them and trying to tweak them.
the next step is to start building your first own mod patch...
I remeber there is some sort of tutorial in the manual.
Once you get used to the basic build of a patch, you could start trying to integrate new modules and see what happens.
From time to time you will have to relook what a specific module does exactly, so its not a bad idea to print the mod3 reference.
I have printed versions of mod reference and Flexor1 manual, so I always can have a quick look, if something is not working as expected.
I think a modular is always for experienced users that understand a synths workflow. So you either get used to it, or not.
The good thing with the modular3 is you can even use it as load and play synth, without undertsanding it really.
And it has a great feature many other virtual modulars don``t have: a patch list for every modular creation:
meaning: once you have a great patch design, you can start tweaking and save solo sounds in a preset bank..
generally all cw stuff sounds very close to real gear, not only the synths but also the fx.
don`t get fooled by the better gui designs of other companies... the creamware gui looks a bit "childish" compared to uad, which is a sign where they concentrate their menwork on.
talking about the modular, i`ve checked different vstis and the cw modular is very intuitive. Don`t be afraid.
To get in starting, I recommend to first read the mod3 manual to get an idea of what the different modules do.
If you are not familiar with modular stuff, you will get an overflow of information in your brain -> at first.
then you could start by loading different patches, recabling them and trying to tweak them.
the next step is to start building your first own mod patch...
I remeber there is some sort of tutorial in the manual.
Once you get used to the basic build of a patch, you could start trying to integrate new modules and see what happens.
From time to time you will have to relook what a specific module does exactly, so its not a bad idea to print the mod3 reference.
I have printed versions of mod reference and Flexor1 manual, so I always can have a quick look, if something is not working as expected.
I think a modular is always for experienced users that understand a synths workflow. So you either get used to it, or not.
The good thing with the modular3 is you can even use it as load and play synth, without undertsanding it really.
And it has a great feature many other virtual modulars don``t have: a patch list for every modular creation:
meaning: once you have a great patch design, you can start tweaking and save solo sounds in a preset bank..
How do you patch the scope fx if you are using Cubase for instance?
I reckon you can´t patch them in the VST rack as usual, or? Even so I guess there may be latency going on? The fx have to be pretty outstanding to warrent that it goes out of my RME audiocard, into the scope card and then back again, with potential conversions in-betweeen. Or can you patch scope fx in the VST channel strip by using XTC?
By the way is there a good wave editor, like Wavelab or Soundforge for Scope?
Thanks for all the comments, I appreciate it.
Rob
I reckon you can´t patch them in the VST rack as usual, or? Even so I guess there may be latency going on? The fx have to be pretty outstanding to warrent that it goes out of my RME audiocard, into the scope card and then back again, with potential conversions in-betweeen. Or can you patch scope fx in the VST channel strip by using XTC?
By the way is there a good wave editor, like Wavelab or Soundforge for Scope?
Thanks for all the comments, I appreciate it.
Rob
you don``t have to go out via your rme card and back into your scope card to use the scope fx...
you will have up to 64 virtual audio asio strips that you can directly route out of your host into scope to precess with fx...
think about it as scope is some sort of hardware mixer where you route in different host audio channels to process further.
you will have up to 64 virtual audio asio strips that you can directly route out of your host into scope to precess with fx...
think about it as scope is some sort of hardware mixer where you route in different host audio channels to process further.
Cool, so then one route it back in for mixdown, or bouncing/print, on a separate audio channel I guess as with any hardware?hifiboom wrote:you don``t have to go out via your rme card and back into your scope card to use the scope fx...
you will have up to 64 virtual audio asio strips that you can directly route out of your host into scope to precess with fx...
think about it as scope is some sort of hardware mixer where you route in different host audio channels to process further.
Hi Casar, yes I was kidding After I posted earlier though I thought it might sound easy to misunderstand my dry English humour.
Anyways, to try and answer your last question re hifibooms's comments, yes you can route pretty much anything into or out of scope, both software based ie from your sequenser or other apps, and outboard gear once connected physically, and then route it virtually via the routing window or even from within the scope mixer gui insert slots, etc. It really is like a hardware studio in a window, and although the gui can look a bit plain graphically, it is in fact very straightforward and easy to get to grips with. If I can do it, I think most people can
But more importantly it is extremely flexible and powerful, and most important of all it sounds awesome.
Hope that is a more constructive reply than my first, and best of luck with your purchase. I assure you that you wont regret it, especially with all those extra devices.
But like I said my offer still stands if you decide to pass, haha
After I posted earlier though I thought it might sound easy to misunderstand my dry English humour. Anyways, to try and answer your last question re hifibooms's comments, yes you can route pretty much anything into or out of scope, both software based ie from your sequenser or other apps, and outboard gear once connected physically, and then route it virtually via the routing window or even from within the scope mixer gui insert slots, etc. It really is like a hardware studio in a window, and although the gui can look a bit plain graphically, it is in fact very straightforward and easy to get to grips with. If I can do it, I think most people can
But more importantly it is extremely flexible and powerful, and most important of all it sounds awesome.
Hope that is a more constructive reply than my first, and best of luck with your purchase. I assure you that you wont regret it, especially with all those extra devices.
But like I said my offer still stands if you decide to pass, haha
cesar, the scope mixer sounds better than the cubase mixer, the more tracks that are combined. mixing on the scope mixer allows zero latency monitoring and punchins. you can assign individual outs from the cubase mixer and that way you can still use cubase to automate mutes or auxes, etc. and you can still use whatever vsts you wish. in return for the extra step, your mixes will sound better with more clarity, depth and definition.
scope can be used in XTC mode(which i don't encourage, but others do), which allows you to use scope effects inside of cubase, but this really cripples the best parts of the card which are flexability, infinite routing, and high bit depth summing(and modular).
the scope i/o is all you need. the RME is a great card, but the scope card's i/o are of the same qaulity and the scope card allows you to do things you can't with the RME like using hardware effects in you mix in realtime. the RME can go in another computer or help pay for your investment.....
scope can be used in XTC mode(which i don't encourage, but others do), which allows you to use scope effects inside of cubase, but this really cripples the best parts of the card which are flexability, infinite routing, and high bit depth summing(and modular).
the scope i/o is all you need. the RME is a great card, but the scope card's i/o are of the same qaulity and the scope card allows you to do things you can't with the RME like using hardware effects in you mix in realtime. the RME can go in another computer or help pay for your investment.....
hey casar
while you're waiting for your scope card, you could easily prepare yourself a bit by reading the manual. all routing possibilities (asio and stuff) are well explained.
look here:
ftp://ftp.creamware.de/Manuals/SCOPE/Manual/
i'm sure once you get used to it, you'll love it
cheers
roman
while you're waiting for your scope card, you could easily prepare yourself a bit by reading the manual. all routing possibilities (asio and stuff) are well explained.
look here:
ftp://ftp.creamware.de/Manuals/SCOPE/Manual/
i'm sure once you get used to it, you'll love it
cheers
roman