LSR 4312SP subwoofer?

djsainz · Post by **djsainz** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:33 am

Hi,

I have a set of LSR4328P and I was wondering if anyone has the subwoofer to tell me how it sounds of its its worth getting a subwoofer for those 20Hz sound region.

The music I mostly produce is Electronic based music.

Thanks

David.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:10 am

i don't know your speakers but if you have a small room i would say avoid getting a subwoofer, and if you have a big room then get bigger speakers with a bass end. i personally don't like the 'artificialness' subwoofers introduce and would not use them whilst mixing - how do you gauge the correct level for the bass end?

Post by **garyb** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:25 pm

Mr Arkadin wrote:how do you gauge the correct level for the bass end?

by setting up the system with known mixes that you like.
a sub is a great thing, but your room does need proper bass traps or things will get so muddy that the mixes will suffer.....

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:10 pm

garyb wrote:
Mr Arkadin wrote:how do you gauge the correct level for the bass end?
by setting up the system with known mixes that you like.

Well yes, but what i meant was they often have they're own volume knob, so i would say that most people would set them up bass heavy because they like lots of bass - giving a false sense of what you're actually mixing, whereas a speaker with a woofer and tweeter will be matched.

Don't like your mix - just turn up the knob - problem fixed

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Post by **garyb** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:43 pm

that's what i meant too. what is the proper amount of bass with other productions will lead to the proper amount of bass from yours. i agree, though. whenever possible, i'd like the sub to match the other components only extending the range of the system, not necessarily pumping it up. when mixing, you want accuracy, not impressiveness...it's nice to find out what is happening down real low, because many systems are reproducing those freqs these days, but a balanced mix on a good pair of nearfields should be balanced almost anywhere...

djsainz · Post by **djsainz** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:24 pm

Mr Arkadin wrote:
garyb wrote:
Mr Arkadin wrote:how do you gauge the correct level for the bass end?
by setting up the system with known mixes that you like.
Well yes, but what i meant was they often have they're own volume knob, so i would say that most people would set them up bass heavy because they like lots of bass - giving a false sense of what you're actually mixing, whereas a speaker with a woofer and tweeter will be matched.

Don't like your mix - just turn up the knob - problem fixed .

These monitors and subwoofer system are all interlinked via network cable to eahc other and USB to the computer, so all parameters are automatically ajusted to extend the frequency range of the monitoring system with the volume at equal level throught the system, so no danger of getting wrong impression if you have a louder bass volume

Post by **garyb** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:27 pm

the room is the real problem....

adding bass to a bad room is a bad idea.....

djsainz · Post by **djsainz** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:01 pm

That is also true, but the reason i chose this system its due to its Room Mode Correction, simply plug in the calibration microphone into one of them, run the RMC button once so it analyses your room acoustics and wow first time i ran it, what a difference, fresh out the box the speakers sounded awesome, but bass was vibrating half my room, after RMC, the bass was super tight and clean.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:03 pm

Yeah, doesn't matter what your computer says, garyb is right, if your room can't take that bass extension then it can't take it. If you have a smallish room then i would say you'd get enough bass end from a decent pair of nearfield monitors and that a sub bass will just add confusion to the recipe. If you have a bigger room it might be OK, but then you need some bass traps to stop any standing waves etc.

i don't know your system, but i would be a bit sceptical about letting my computer adjust anything - it can adjust the speakers, but it may be your room that needs adjusting.

zangsta · Post by **zangsta** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:09 pm

Mr Arkadin wrote: i don't know your system, but i would be a bit sceptical about letting my computer adjust anything - it can adjust the speakers, but it may be your room that needs adjusting.

I got curious what his was about, and checked it out.
May be something for me! Thank´s for bringing this to my attention.
At times, we have no choice, and then this seems like a workable solution;

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Included accessory kit contains:

Calibration microphone
Remote control
LSR4300 Control Center Software
USB and network cables

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:02 pm

All very well and good blurb, but it can't correct for reflections or standing waves - speakers just can't do that - acoustic treatment in some form is always necessary.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:11 pm

yep.
no getting around bass traps and diffusers...

all the speaker software can do is correct for flat response.