I am sad to see that good, hard working people are suffering from the actions of a small percentage of people with the same status.
This is another example of why Governments are inefficiant in their applications of the law.
Only after many legal latinos and Americans have been robbed, killed , or raped by these worthless degenerates, do we take action. And naturally, the citizens are joyous, but I am not one of them. We will be losing many good honest hard working people.
If the citizens and local authorities were allowed to hold and prosecute these criminals w/o having Federal mandates applied, they would have walked a little more lightly than they currently do. Uncle Sam once again is pursuing a giant Goat Fucking party where business's and good folks will suffer from it's lack of vision.
I am all for documenting and treating these cases in a fair way, but they are now considered criminals for breaking a law nobody enforced, and actually encouraged them to enter with a " Wetback ".
Funny how politicians in an election year decide after decades of looking the other way suddenly want to enforce our current laws.
I am sorry guys, but I am an old fashioned guy of sorts, and believe that when the law is broke, you get broke. Plain and simple. But the lawbreakers here are the politicians who run their legislature like a whore house.
Add this to the democrats probably winning the Presidency, and I can already hear when the economy starts going south, how it was the Republicans that caused this. I have seen this sickening theatrical bull shit for too many years.
I am afraid that our government has grown into a giant recluse. It's like a giant whore house, and if Hillary gets elected, my God,.......we are in real trouble this decade.
Watch out for the southwest erupting with home invasions, and robberies.
I have already placed my warning on the front door. Armed and extremely dangerous in Espanola.
The thugs will surely start their crime sprees and the good hard working folks will be run out like trash.
A truly sad time is ahead for our southern neighbors.
Hopefully their country can provide for them, but they are a corrupt democracy.
This is the political fire that Chavez will use in his rhetoric now, about how Americans hate latinos, etc. etc.
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At least it won't be a problem if she does cigar stuff with her husband in the White House then - unless they (the cigars) are Cuban.scope4live wrote: and if Hillary gets elected, my God,.......we are in real trouble this decade.
But Jimmy, there's at least one good thing that the Democrats (hopefully) will introduce: an obliged health care insurence.
Would have been nice for the NY firemen to have had that now.
They can't effort medical help after they got sick, poisened by 9/11, and loose their jobs - you remember that picture of Bush on ground Zero praising the firemen as the real 'heros'? He let them down totally.
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seems to me, that the immigrant issue is just a political dance. Anybody should know that the US economy cannot stand without illegal immigrants working for ridiculous pay. So, if the government steps forward to bully a couple for show, I doubt they'd do any sort of major crackdown.
What sucks is that these things tend to affect the "legit" immigrants the most, like me. Because we're the ones that have paperwork, and that the government can track and bully if they wanted to. They can't really track the really illegal people. And wow, lucky them, the really illegal ones are the ones that work for the least amount of pay.
What sucks is that these things tend to affect the "legit" immigrants the most, like me. Because we're the ones that have paperwork, and that the government can track and bully if they wanted to. They can't really track the really illegal people. And wow, lucky them, the really illegal ones are the ones that work for the least amount of pay.
yeah, but they are NOT helping the economy. they take money out of the economy. why do you think the cities are filled with unemployed citizens?
"illegal aliens" are currently released without charge after any crime up to murder as a matter of policy. they are given bank loans and accounts with NO identification(verified with my own branch. i asked, "is it true?" i was told "yes, but i don't know why"). citizens are ruthlessly track and recorded, however.
and F__K THAT HEALTH CARE! i don't need the government social worker demanding that i take medication and see a doctor 3 times a year whether i want to or not under penalty of law(read some of the proposals if you don't think that's the plan). that's NOT freedom. i don't require big brother to take care of me.
"illegal aliens" are currently released without charge after any crime up to murder as a matter of policy. they are given bank loans and accounts with NO identification(verified with my own branch. i asked, "is it true?" i was told "yes, but i don't know why"). citizens are ruthlessly track and recorded, however.
and F__K THAT HEALTH CARE! i don't need the government social worker demanding that i take medication and see a doctor 3 times a year whether i want to or not under penalty of law(read some of the proposals if you don't think that's the plan). that's NOT freedom. i don't require big brother to take care of me.
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yeah, it really sucks being legit and trackable.
In terms of health care, I'd say anything tha makes it usable and more convenient is welcome. My experience so far has been so bad, it's not even worth paying the monthly charge. I'd rather save up the monthly charge, and take a flight back to Japan. Just simply because the system is so easy to understand back in Japan. In the US I'd have to spend hours reading through my policy so I won't doom myself by making the "wrong" choice. It's really risky when you need urgent care, and not ER. Say, you're sick on a weekend. Your primary physician's closed? Your symptom not listed as an emergency in your policy? That's where the fun begins.
In terms of health care, I'd say anything tha makes it usable and more convenient is welcome. My experience so far has been so bad, it's not even worth paying the monthly charge. I'd rather save up the monthly charge, and take a flight back to Japan. Just simply because the system is so easy to understand back in Japan. In the US I'd have to spend hours reading through my policy so I won't doom myself by making the "wrong" choice. It's really risky when you need urgent care, and not ER. Say, you're sick on a weekend. Your primary physician's closed? Your symptom not listed as an emergency in your policy? That's where the fun begins.
i'm not against the idea of "health care" being straight-forward, accessable, and all that.
the Japanese system is especially good because of some of the better characteristics of the Japanese culture. be proud of that part.
i'm not interested in what's actually being discussed here in the ole USA, however, even if it's free. the reason i say that is that they are talking about MANDATORY "care". if i feel bad enogh to want to see a doctor, that's one thing. if i want to follow some regime involving a "health care professional" and commit to what he or she says, fine. when the "health care professionals" are government employees with actual power over my life, my personal attitude and how it's adjusted(not being happy with the status quo is not a crime, especially when the status quo is criminal. the proof of that criminality is the fact that it's a crime to think that the staus quo is criminal. they are actually talking about mandatory screening for misadjustment) i'm not for "health care" that involves lot's of expensive pills that were developed at public expense sold at great profit, even if i don't feel how expensive they are because it's built into the insane taxes i'll be paying.
instead of all this "care", why not stop putting cancer viri into the vaccines? how about removing the mercury(in the thermiosol "preservative") into the vaccines given to children? why not make life nice for all the humans, even the ones that work their asses off, not with more stuff, but with nice stuff and respect and honor? why not stop dumping all that old nerve gas(100s of thousands of gallons) into the ocean?
when i was a boy, rural areas still had doctors that came to you. 20 years before that, the cities did, too. people regularly live well over 100years old in many traditional(unindustrial) societies, the doctor is only the most important man in town because the city is poisoned. the city was not poisoned by us humans, we only used what they gave us, what they told us was the greatest thing, ever. when will we stop falling for the same old tricks?
the Japanese system is especially good because of some of the better characteristics of the Japanese culture. be proud of that part.
i'm not interested in what's actually being discussed here in the ole USA, however, even if it's free. the reason i say that is that they are talking about MANDATORY "care". if i feel bad enogh to want to see a doctor, that's one thing. if i want to follow some regime involving a "health care professional" and commit to what he or she says, fine. when the "health care professionals" are government employees with actual power over my life, my personal attitude and how it's adjusted(not being happy with the status quo is not a crime, especially when the status quo is criminal. the proof of that criminality is the fact that it's a crime to think that the staus quo is criminal. they are actually talking about mandatory screening for misadjustment) i'm not for "health care" that involves lot's of expensive pills that were developed at public expense sold at great profit, even if i don't feel how expensive they are because it's built into the insane taxes i'll be paying.
instead of all this "care", why not stop putting cancer viri into the vaccines? how about removing the mercury(in the thermiosol "preservative") into the vaccines given to children? why not make life nice for all the humans, even the ones that work their asses off, not with more stuff, but with nice stuff and respect and honor? why not stop dumping all that old nerve gas(100s of thousands of gallons) into the ocean?
when i was a boy, rural areas still had doctors that came to you. 20 years before that, the cities did, too. people regularly live well over 100years old in many traditional(unindustrial) societies, the doctor is only the most important man in town because the city is poisoned. the city was not poisoned by us humans, we only used what they gave us, what they told us was the greatest thing, ever. when will we stop falling for the same old tricks?
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right president!
the president isn't even supposed to have all that power! the government is set up to avoid even the hint of supreme leader.
we don't need the government to be responsible for keeping us healthy. we just need a reasonably fair playing feild and basic human compassion.
what a bunch of cowardly fools we humans are! giving up our birthright because of the fear of dying to those who would promise to save them from it, only to die anyway....
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When things start in a bad way, they end even worst! Unfortunately, from the foundation and on, everything is wrongly setup in the USA government, in consequence now comes the moment of the breakdown, unfortunately. As said sometimes, “the beginning of the end”.
The USA government has so much power behind itself that it doesn’t matter which president you choose, they will always find the way to continue up in power. When I say “they”, I refer to those who truly have the power, behind the puppet which is always the prime minister or president. A president is nothing but a representative of the real powers behind himself. This real power is formed by those secret and hidden people that command and actually have the power in their hands.
I don’t want to be disrespectful to American fellows at all; I have so many American friends that that would be so unfair. But to say that American people have “high levels of education” is a big mistake it’s not true. In fact, this is what the USA government wants people to think and believe about their nation, but it is not factual. Of course there always are percentages of people with high levels of education, but the “mass”, the “crowd” is quite far from it, particularly if you compare USA with some European countries…
The foundations of big political powers around the world are nothing but self-created advantages. These powers are not administered for an open and real help for the citizens. Citizens are just “numbers” in the game of their goals and their real goals we would not even understand.
The USA government has so much power behind itself that it doesn’t matter which president you choose, they will always find the way to continue up in power. When I say “they”, I refer to those who truly have the power, behind the puppet which is always the prime minister or president. A president is nothing but a representative of the real powers behind himself. This real power is formed by those secret and hidden people that command and actually have the power in their hands.
I don’t want to be disrespectful to American fellows at all; I have so many American friends that that would be so unfair. But to say that American people have “high levels of education” is a big mistake it’s not true. In fact, this is what the USA government wants people to think and believe about their nation, but it is not factual. Of course there always are percentages of people with high levels of education, but the “mass”, the “crowd” is quite far from it, particularly if you compare USA with some European countries…
The foundations of big political powers around the world are nothing but self-created advantages. These powers are not administered for an open and real help for the citizens. Citizens are just “numbers” in the game of their goals and their real goals we would not even understand.
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the government in priniciple is fine.
it's that the powerful ignore the foundation and run it how they please. if they followed the constitution, it would be much nicer here.
once again, most of the catastrophic illnesses are the result of neglect of the citizenry. if you abuse them and stress them out, put poison in the air and water and feed them poor quality, contaminated food, they WILL get sick. duh...fixing the problem through fancy, expensive medicine is the backwards stupid way of fixing things. this method shows that there is no desire for a healthy populace, so a "health plan" will be nothing more than worthless vanity.
medicine, although it CAN be helpful(and there are many kind and dedicated physicians and nurses), is just a big blood and energy sucking vampire, when it's all said and done....
it's that the powerful ignore the foundation and run it how they please. if they followed the constitution, it would be much nicer here.
once again, most of the catastrophic illnesses are the result of neglect of the citizenry. if you abuse them and stress them out, put poison in the air and water and feed them poor quality, contaminated food, they WILL get sick. duh...fixing the problem through fancy, expensive medicine is the backwards stupid way of fixing things. this method shows that there is no desire for a healthy populace, so a "health plan" will be nothing more than worthless vanity.
medicine, although it CAN be helpful(and there are many kind and dedicated physicians and nurses), is just a big blood and energy sucking vampire, when it's all said and done....
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well Huub, a "health plan" will be nothing more than worthless vanity
because
people are fed poor quality, contaminated food, so they WILL get sick.
fixing the problem through fancy, expensive medicine is the backwards stupid way of fixing things.
this method shows that there is no desire for a healthy populace
in a political speach your quote would have scored big, that's the way it's done to put things out of context ...
I may repeat myself, but I consider at least 75% of all patients treated due to blood pressure problems legal junkies made dependant (tuned in to) their stuff by regular physicians. Millions per population causing billions of costs. Every month, every year...
To quote Gary's favourite question: who wins by this situation ?
All these people need is the food the body would ask for if their mind wouldn't be distracted and a bit of physical activity.
some might loose a fortune ...
to give an example that Gary's words have an international relevance, too
the aforementioned patients (let's assume in germany) are a matter of fact.
when they come to search treatment, there is no legal problem to inform them about an adjustment of their insurance fee to their 'health risk', if they don't act according to the physician's treatment plan - same as with any other insurance.
so it would cost barely nothing to cure (most of) them
but the doctor would loose a returning patient, the chem industries a consumer...
and to add some conspiracy.... all those patients (under current treatment) need specific drugs, always in a certain interval of time - you could get rid of them by a simple accident in production, you might distribute mind changing stuff... and whatever comes to mind
because
people are fed poor quality, contaminated food, so they WILL get sick.
fixing the problem through fancy, expensive medicine is the backwards stupid way of fixing things.
this method shows that there is no desire for a healthy populace
in a political speach your quote would have scored big, that's the way it's done to put things out of context ...
I may repeat myself, but I consider at least 75% of all patients treated due to blood pressure problems legal junkies made dependant (tuned in to) their stuff by regular physicians. Millions per population causing billions of costs. Every month, every year...
To quote Gary's favourite question: who wins by this situation ?
All these people need is the food the body would ask for if their mind wouldn't be distracted and a bit of physical activity.
some might loose a fortune ...
to give an example that Gary's words have an international relevance, too
the aforementioned patients (let's assume in germany) are a matter of fact.
when they come to search treatment, there is no legal problem to inform them about an adjustment of their insurance fee to their 'health risk', if they don't act according to the physician's treatment plan - same as with any other insurance.
so it would cost barely nothing to cure (most of) them
but the doctor would loose a returning patient, the chem industries a consumer...
and to add some conspiracy.... all those patients (under current treatment) need specific drugs, always in a certain interval of time - you could get rid of them by a simple accident in production, you might distribute mind changing stuff... and whatever comes to mind
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true, thickness and related 'problems' are a part of modern society.
This is reflected in public debates on things like the 'fat tax' on junk food or getting put on the end of the helplist if you're a smoker etc.
But this ie only one part of the equation.
it's about individual responsability.
But you can't deny there's a societal aspect to the case.
A society which tolerates free promotion of all the bad stuff, including junk food, cigarettes and alcohol, should not be surprised when people act according to what's presented in punlic as normal.
So, now we have two options.
One is, exclude smokers and inactive fat eaters from health care or put them at the end of the list.
Two, accept the gouvernment forbids all bad stuff to be sold or marketed.
I'd like to see Gary's face when one of these two options would take place...
In other words, the people are as fat and sick as society allowes.
Therefor the society should either take it's responsability and care for the sick, or it should protect the people against bad food and habits by taking 'communist' measures...
The pivot is 'the free market'.
As long as that's the ultimate norm, society shouldn't whine about bad habits and bad food, as the profits which derive from it are seen as more important , legal, and justified.
Whatever choice will be made, if you wanne keep gouvernment's role as small as possible, you should also accept the consequences of the free market.
Btw, you can't narrow down the problem of modern public health care to the fat and smoke department.
Example: the NY firemen, let down totally.
If even they can't get help, no-one can...
This is reflected in public debates on things like the 'fat tax' on junk food or getting put on the end of the helplist if you're a smoker etc.
But this ie only one part of the equation.
it's about individual responsability.
But you can't deny there's a societal aspect to the case.
A society which tolerates free promotion of all the bad stuff, including junk food, cigarettes and alcohol, should not be surprised when people act according to what's presented in punlic as normal.
So, now we have two options.
One is, exclude smokers and inactive fat eaters from health care or put them at the end of the list.
Two, accept the gouvernment forbids all bad stuff to be sold or marketed.
I'd like to see Gary's face when one of these two options would take place...
In other words, the people are as fat and sick as society allowes.
Therefor the society should either take it's responsability and care for the sick, or it should protect the people against bad food and habits by taking 'communist' measures...
The pivot is 'the free market'.
As long as that's the ultimate norm, society shouldn't whine about bad habits and bad food, as the profits which derive from it are seen as more important , legal, and justified.
Whatever choice will be made, if you wanne keep gouvernment's role as small as possible, you should also accept the consequences of the free market.
Btw, you can't narrow down the problem of modern public health care to the fat and smoke department.
Example: the NY firemen, let down totally.
If even they can't get help, no-one can...
NYC firemen can't get help because NYC refuses to admit that they were sent into a bad area with no protection and assurances everything was safe. to admit the truth a treat them would open a huge can-o-worms.
you act like crap is marketed to people innocently and not through studies and planning.
i'm not against people taking care of the sick, far from it! but i'm not for any measures that take away a human being's soveriegnity, when it comes to himself. i'm not a child, i don't need to be looked after. i'll ask if i need a hand.
you act like crap is marketed to people innocently and not through studies and planning.
i'm not against people taking care of the sick, far from it! but i'm not for any measures that take away a human being's soveriegnity, when it comes to himself. i'm not a child, i don't need to be looked after. i'll ask if i need a hand.