Cubase -> Scope -> 01v96

djsainz · Post by **djsainz** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:16 am

Hi,

I have just been having major problems for months, I just can’t seem to be getting it 100% correct connected, not even 75% to what I would want. I always have to connect, unconnect on the hot with Cubase in order to at least get it to record something.

Ok let me begin:

I have a VST instrument that is using a stereo ASIO2 with in Cubase then on Scope I route that particular source to my ADAT port in order to connect it to my external mixer and use it with one of my faders. During normal playback I seem to hear all my internal and external instruments just fine, all fully controllable with my external mixers faders. The problem starts when I need to bounce my mix down inside Cubase that the real problems start. Once I hit to record the VST instrument stops from emitting audio but records nevertheless, as for the rest of the of the external instruments, I hear them on my monitors but do not record!

Another persistent problem is that if I get to hear all the instruments while recording all I get is feedback inside the Cubase mixing environment. The external mixer is fine, it’s only when I make my connections inside Cubase, that’s when I get horrible audio like the same channels being played over each other.

Here is the routing that I use:

VST -> ASIO2 Source (1-LR)-> Scope ADAT Destination->01v96 ADAT IN -> main mix with the rest of the external instruments -> 01v96 ADAT OUT -> Scope ADAT Source -> ASIO2 Destination -> Cubase Main IN.

I think the problem lies within Cubase mixing and routing. It would be very helpful in some insight to what seems to be the problem I am doing, and would appreciate a project file for Scope or Cubase that will shed light into the routing.

Thanks.

Post by **garyb** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:15 am

send the vst instrument's audio out the second pair of asio source outs. that way you can send the signal of that instrument wherever you please, for whatever purpose you require.

in case you need the info-

in order to enable more i/o in cubase, go to device/vst connections/input(or output)/add bus............

the extra i/o will be available in the drop down menus in the inspector and trackmixer.

do a search in the cubase help for the boldwords if you don't know what i'm on about.

djsainz · Post by **djsainz** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:27 am

I tried to follow what you people said, but I am at a dead end. If I connect my VST to the second ASIO out, where do I route it to? and what do I do with ASIO-out 1 which is going to my mixer so I can control the volume with the external fader.

I have attached further pictures, this time with my VST connections and mixer. I have kept it simple for now just 1 VST and 1 external instrument. At the moment I get 3 different outcomes when fiddling with the routing:
1) I record external instruments but not VST.
2) I record VST but not external.
3) when I record all, I get feedback.

All I really want is be able to hear all my instruments while monitoring and then while bouncing the mixdown. Hopefully the images I provided may be useful for you people in order to guide me on how to correctly wire my setup.

Thanks.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:38 am

where's your mixer?

just follow the signals. forget that it's in the computer. signal flow is signal flow.

djsainz · Post by **djsainz** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:58 am

If you refer to my external mixer, that is the connected with the ADAT on Scope, so I get 1 synth from Scope and the other from Cubase, like Halion one. while just monitoring both instruments play perfect. i can hear them crystal clean and fully controllable with my external mixer. Anyways, on my mixer my main stereo out is the ADAT channels 1 and 2 going back to my Scope ADAT and in turn goes ASIO destination 1 and you can see i in my Cubase mixer as ASIO 1 input.

Its only when i bounce my track I get all the trouble. like why if I can hear my VST instrument under just normal play, why does it dissapear under recording, I tried a few combinations like using a different bus to record or route it to group mixer and so on, but if I do that its when i get feedback.

There is just something that I dont understand in Cubase, I had logic audio back then and I never enocuntered this problem at such magnitude.

If possible can any one provide me with a scope and cubase project solution example, thatway I will load it up and see if the problem still ocurrs.

Thanks.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:06 am

off line bouncing is not recording.

if you use the bounce function, it must be realtime. external devices can't be rendered!(they're not inside the program!) since you must route the mix back into cubase, for cubase to record it, alternatively, you can record the track by itself into cubase and then bounce down, or just record the whole mix onto another track.

it's a mistake to forget that cubase is just a glorified tape recorder(soon a generation will be born with no knowledge of such things, poor ignorant fellows). it has inputs and outputs just like any other multitrack, if you follow me....

djsainz · Post by **djsainz** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:13 am

off line bouncing?

Ok I may have used wrong term, well I will say Audio mixdown export on Cubase, is that still the same? I just used the term bouncing from Logic audio days.

Well anyway realtime recording, everything is done that way due to external gear, I can record all the instruments at once but i have to be hot routing my audio so i dont get feedback.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:58 pm

if you follow the flow of signal, you'll see why you have feedback....

draw a map if you are having a hard time visualizing it...feedback is what happens when a signal gets reamplified...

djsainz · Post by **djsainz** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:23 am

I am well aware of what is causing the feedback, Its only one of the many problem connections I encountered, what is troubling me most is finding an alternative connection that will work. Thats why I am asking for help here, this problem has been persistent for months, and after spending hours trying alternatives I just cannot find the right one. I just dont know another way that will get all my instruments to record with out either blanking my VST or causing feedback.

Ok, I will tackle 1 problem at a time, I think if I get fixed my specific problem 1 I will be most of the way into fixing the whole thing.

1) Why does my VST audio works, ie can hear it while just playback, but when I want to record, it dissapears, it mutes it self and wont record, yet the external instruments do. If I manage to get it to emit sound while recording that will advance me very much to having it fullworking.