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you're right. we should just let our handlers, the supreme holy blue bloods and thier minions outfitted in dark blue, black and deaths heads have the guns. [infantile voice] they never kill anyone, and they only have guns to protect us from ourselves. [/infantile voice]
official guns are the big killers of men, far above the number of killings by lunatics who buy legal arms. ban government officials, soldiers and police from owning or posessing lethal weapons first! all studies show that people are safer where guns are allowed to be carried concealed. where this is allowed the crime rate always plummets. predation requires a weak victim. predators are looking for easy prey. lions and wolves attack the old, sick, weak and young. an officer won't be there to help when a bad guy with an illegal weapon accosts me. why shouldn't i be allowed to defend myself from ANY criminal, be he a government official, a soldier, a robber or a psychopath?
find a way to eliminate ALL guns, even the official ones, and i'm all for including mine. otherwise, it's my human right to defend myself, just like it's my human right to breathe, eat, shit and procreate.
next, after they disarm the world, these jerks will want to tax my CO2 output from normal human respiration because of it's contribution to global warming......
that guy could have bought a sharp stick and run it through the vitim's head. then what? ban sticks? should we ban knives because as adults, we can't be trusted not to hurt each other with them? "sorry folks, i don't care if this is a cooking class, those are dangerous weapons. you're under arrest and we'll be confiscating these blades...."
speaking of psyops, that guy who supposedly had only just bought a gun had a 60% kill rate with a 9mm, shooting over 200 shots with the police armed with the best weapons and body armor available doing nothing only a short distance away. in order to kill 30 people with 200 shots, he would have had to do them one by one execution style, while the others stood and looked. a 9mm doesn't kill that quickly with so few rounds except from well placed multiple shots up close. he was was aloowed to roam the campus for 2 1/2 hours after the first killings. something is smelly with the story. don't believe me though. here's an expert's opinion on the tv (nbc news)
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/va_ ... sassin.htm (the utube link judt down the page)
official guns are the big killers of men, far above the number of killings by lunatics who buy legal arms. ban government officials, soldiers and police from owning or posessing lethal weapons first! all studies show that people are safer where guns are allowed to be carried concealed. where this is allowed the crime rate always plummets. predation requires a weak victim. predators are looking for easy prey. lions and wolves attack the old, sick, weak and young. an officer won't be there to help when a bad guy with an illegal weapon accosts me. why shouldn't i be allowed to defend myself from ANY criminal, be he a government official, a soldier, a robber or a psychopath?
find a way to eliminate ALL guns, even the official ones, and i'm all for including mine. otherwise, it's my human right to defend myself, just like it's my human right to breathe, eat, shit and procreate.
next, after they disarm the world, these jerks will want to tax my CO2 output from normal human respiration because of it's contribution to global warming......
that guy could have bought a sharp stick and run it through the vitim's head. then what? ban sticks? should we ban knives because as adults, we can't be trusted not to hurt each other with them? "sorry folks, i don't care if this is a cooking class, those are dangerous weapons. you're under arrest and we'll be confiscating these blades...."
speaking of psyops, that guy who supposedly had only just bought a gun had a 60% kill rate with a 9mm, shooting over 200 shots with the police armed with the best weapons and body armor available doing nothing only a short distance away. in order to kill 30 people with 200 shots, he would have had to do them one by one execution style, while the others stood and looked. a 9mm doesn't kill that quickly with so few rounds except from well placed multiple shots up close. he was was aloowed to roam the campus for 2 1/2 hours after the first killings. something is smelly with the story. don't believe me though. here's an expert's opinion on the tv (nbc news)
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/va_ ... sassin.htm (the utube link judt down the page)
Not sure what the big love affair with guns is about. If the constitution requires guns (and it is vague about that), then we ought to change the constitution. There was some thought originally that we might want to overthrow the government (with guns); anyone who thinks that now is a stark raving lunatic. I get upset when I hear a politician who wants gun control say he is not trying to take guns away from hunters. I see no other hobby that is protected by the constitution. Most people don't hunt so why should we care about their desires? If you add up all the murders, suicides and accidents, you will find that guns cause far more deaths than they prevent. There is a huge net loss of life and it's all because the U.S.A is full of a bunch of paranoid delusional people. Many people in the U.SA. think the world is 6,000 years old. Is it any wonder that Europeans think we are total idiots?
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Mr Arkadin
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i have a few American friends and none of them would consider owning a gun, they're just regular Joes. It seems that exactly the sort of people who you wouldn't want to have guns are the ones that own them: right wingers, criminals and people wanting to start their own private armies. The people that would be responsible with a gun probably wouldn't want to own one.
The one saying i've found to be a truism is, "He who lives by the sword...". i remember a time when i briefly became paranoid for some reason and took to carrying a sharp object round with me, and yes they likelihood of me getting into trouble increased - it's like a karma thing, expect trouble all the time and you'll probably get some - try to avoid it and you'll probably live longer - look at how many US police get killed by their own weapons. i feel safer now that i don't carry anything.
At the moment UK police generally still do not carry firearms, but i'm sure the government will use the fear of Terror to change that too. Even with all the recent youth shootings recently things are still a whole lot better than the US.
i'm quite surprised at Gary's attitude i have to say.
The one saying i've found to be a truism is, "He who lives by the sword...". i remember a time when i briefly became paranoid for some reason and took to carrying a sharp object round with me, and yes they likelihood of me getting into trouble increased - it's like a karma thing, expect trouble all the time and you'll probably get some - try to avoid it and you'll probably live longer - look at how many US police get killed by their own weapons. i feel safer now that i don't carry anything.
At the moment UK police generally still do not carry firearms, but i'm sure the government will use the fear of Terror to change that too. Even with all the recent youth shootings recently things are still a whole lot better than the US.
i'm quite surprised at Gary's attitude i have to say.
It's easy to sit back and philosphize about this topic. But guns are a reality, and unfortunately an American tradition.
Don't think for a minute that you can protect your family without one. I witnessed many riots as a child, and my family made it through all of them. When MLK was killed, the Italian neighborhood I grew up in was targeted by large crowds of angry blacks w/ fire bombs, and guns. They never got through to our neighborhood because we were armed and ready, and when the first wave of attackers were dropped the rest ran back home. My mother was the best shot back then. She grew up in LA during the depression, and my grandfather chose to wait it out in the mountains to hunt. I hope you never have to go through what most Americans went through, but if history repeats itself, my family will survive. That's what shooting all of the Christmas tree lights every year as a child will do. Mama V. was a modern day Annie Oakley, and Papa V. was a decorated WWII veteran. I do not plan on watching my family suffer if it ever happens again. Guess you just had to be here to understand.
Strength Through Superior Firepower,........and of course Scope,
Don't think for a minute that you can protect your family without one. I witnessed many riots as a child, and my family made it through all of them. When MLK was killed, the Italian neighborhood I grew up in was targeted by large crowds of angry blacks w/ fire bombs, and guns. They never got through to our neighborhood because we were armed and ready, and when the first wave of attackers were dropped the rest ran back home. My mother was the best shot back then. She grew up in LA during the depression, and my grandfather chose to wait it out in the mountains to hunt. I hope you never have to go through what most Americans went through, but if history repeats itself, my family will survive. That's what shooting all of the Christmas tree lights every year as a child will do. Mama V. was a modern day Annie Oakley, and Papa V. was a decorated WWII veteran. I do not plan on watching my family suffer if it ever happens again. Guess you just had to be here to understand.
Strength Through Superior Firepower,........and of course Scope,
you guys remind me of that scene in THX1138 where the robot policeman is trying to get in a locked room."excuse me sir? please turn the door lock, we're trying to get in for your own protection."
the us constitution is not vague.
it states-" a well regulated militia being nesessary for the good of the nation, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed." just so you know, militarily speaking, "well regulated" means having the best quality, functional arms. if you've studied english, find the subject, object and verb in this sentence. it's quite to the point. the government has no business in people's guns.
as to europeans, no nation has a more well armed citizenry than the swiss. i can't think of a safer, more polite nation.
i'm not saying i WANT a gun or WILL use a gun. i'm saying it's my god given right as a human being to own and posses a gun, and to use it to defend myself. period.
the us constitution is not vague.
it states-" a well regulated militia being nesessary for the good of the nation, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed." just so you know, militarily speaking, "well regulated" means having the best quality, functional arms. if you've studied english, find the subject, object and verb in this sentence. it's quite to the point. the government has no business in people's guns.
as to europeans, no nation has a more well armed citizenry than the swiss. i can't think of a safer, more polite nation.
i'm not saying i WANT a gun or WILL use a gun. i'm saying it's my god given right as a human being to own and posses a gun, and to use it to defend myself. period.
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Mr Arkadin
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Yeah, but that's the Swiss for yougaryb wrote: as to europeans, no nation has a more well armed citizenry than the swiss. i can't think of a safer, more polite nation.
. Legalise guns in the UK and we'd have all shot each other within half an hour.
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You sound so angry when you say that.
Your logic is strange somehow, 'more guns' equals 'a safer society'. To my knowledge the US has one of the highest murderrates in the world. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Also it seems that we are actually viewing the issue from two different angles: you look at it as a question of personal freedom to own a gun and the right to use it in situations where you deem it nescesary, or in other words, a fundamental right as a human being. (A philosophical view)
Where most Europeans I know of looks at this issue as "human nature and guns" is a dangerous cocktail, mix it with alcohol, drugs and paranoia and its just a question of time before something goes terribly wrong. Take the gun away and the whole equation is less leathal. (A practical view)
I know that Austrailia made a move a few years back and bought up loads of guns to get them away from the population. It would be interesting to get some statistic material about which effect it had on society.
Your logic is strange somehow, 'more guns' equals 'a safer society'. To my knowledge the US has one of the highest murderrates in the world. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Also it seems that we are actually viewing the issue from two different angles: you look at it as a question of personal freedom to own a gun and the right to use it in situations where you deem it nescesary, or in other words, a fundamental right as a human being. (A philosophical view)
Where most Europeans I know of looks at this issue as "human nature and guns" is a dangerous cocktail, mix it with alcohol, drugs and paranoia and its just a question of time before something goes terribly wrong. Take the gun away and the whole equation is less leathal. (A practical view)
I know that Austrailia made a move a few years back and bought up loads of guns to get them away from the population. It would be interesting to get some statistic material about which effect it had on society.
How would you know how safe and polite it is in switzerland??garyb wrote:as to europeans, no nation has a more well armed citizenry than the swiss. i can't think of a safer, more polite nation.
But indeed, in Switzerland each person who has been drafted into military service has an assault rifle and some emergency munition at home. Is it that what you mean? But it's forbidden to use it by law, else you would be arrested for many years... And there are many discussions at the moment if the munition should be kept at home or not. We had a massacre in a federal building a few years ago...
My opinion is that no one should be able to buy a weapon without an appropriate license...
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Gary:
If the constitution says we have the right to own arms then why are some arms not legal? Guns are not the same as they were when the constitution was written. Can I own an Atom Bomb? Why not Gary? The constitution says I can own arms. Where do you draw the line on how lethal a weapon can be legally? Do you think the exploding bullets are good? Do you think that "protecting" your family is more important than the well being of the general public? How many deaths make it worth your personal security? People kill themselves and others and you think Oh well it can't be helped? Is this price we must pay so you can feel a little safer? That seems very selfish to me Gary.
If the constitution says we have the right to own arms then why are some arms not legal? Guns are not the same as they were when the constitution was written. Can I own an Atom Bomb? Why not Gary? The constitution says I can own arms. Where do you draw the line on how lethal a weapon can be legally? Do you think the exploding bullets are good? Do you think that "protecting" your family is more important than the well being of the general public? How many deaths make it worth your personal security? People kill themselves and others and you think Oh well it can't be helped? Is this price we must pay so you can feel a little safer? That seems very selfish to me Gary.
i understand your concerns, but...
braincell, you're wrong.
reductio ad absurdum is not a valid argument. the police and feds have already shown they can't be trusted since some part of every population will always be corrupt especially when power is involved.
getting rid of all guns might be a good idea, but doing so and still alowing "officials" to have them is suicide.
you are mixing a lot of emotional arguments into the subject. i'm not trying to convince you of anything. i'm just confiming my human right to arms.
if you think the guns are the cause of trouble, i point again to the swiss example....
the VT shooting was pure psyops.
'nuff said for an internet message board centered around soundcards.
braincell, you're wrong.
reductio ad absurdum is not a valid argument. the police and feds have already shown they can't be trusted since some part of every population will always be corrupt especially when power is involved.
getting rid of all guns might be a good idea, but doing so and still alowing "officials" to have them is suicide.
you are mixing a lot of emotional arguments into the subject. i'm not trying to convince you of anything. i'm just confiming my human right to arms.
if you think the guns are the cause of trouble, i point again to the swiss example....
the VT shooting was pure psyops.
'nuff said for an internet message board centered around soundcards.
katano wrote: How would you know how safe and polite it is in switzerland??
so this is how the compliment is repaid? it's not nice there? funny how the swiss are never invaded, and at one time, before the EU and the new world order, the swiss just had weapons, period.guns are not toys or for games, that's certain. what else is certain is that the only way to keep the central government honest, is for the citizenry to be well armed.
to hell with the new world order, patriarchal socialism, "authorities" who are more important than the citizens they serve and all other mind control.
the united nations has specifically said it wants to disarm all populations, but not "peacekeepers" or police though. why do you think that is?
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With what power do weapons kill (when not talking war/civil war)? Sometimes they kill by the power of wanting to kill. Oftentimes they kill by the power of fear and availability.
When people get scared, the more lethal their defense weapons are, the more lethal will the situation often be. And why do people get scared? The more lethal the oposing part's (potential) weapon is, the more scared will you become.
So you owning a gun makes me scared and want to own a gun too. And as a result, we are both fucked. Official guns where mentioned (I believe 'official guns' refers to guns owned by the police and other official authorities).
Danish population: 5m
Police has killed 11 people in 6 years. This is considdered to be a high number over here.
Norwegian population: 4 or 5m
Police has killed 2 people in 6 years.
English population: 50m?
Police has killed 16 people in 6 years.
Why does the police kill? They do so, when they are scared and are afraid that their own or other people's lives are in danger. Why does police kill so few? Because the danger is not considdered high enough to justify killing.
In Denmark it appears to be the trend, that civilians kill civilians with knives. That is bad, but still ... there was a very bad case lately in my hometown where 2 groups of people got into a big fight. One of the groups had been partying with Bandidos (equivalent of Hells Angels) earlyer on in the evening. One guy got killed? Why wasn't more people killed? Because even though "rocker hang arounds" where involved, no guns where available.
When people get scared, the more lethal their defense weapons are, the more lethal will the situation often be. And why do people get scared? The more lethal the oposing part's (potential) weapon is, the more scared will you become.
So you owning a gun makes me scared and want to own a gun too. And as a result, we are both fucked. Official guns where mentioned (I believe 'official guns' refers to guns owned by the police and other official authorities).
Danish population: 5m
Police has killed 11 people in 6 years. This is considdered to be a high number over here.
Norwegian population: 4 or 5m
Police has killed 2 people in 6 years.
English population: 50m?
Police has killed 16 people in 6 years.
Why does the police kill? They do so, when they are scared and are afraid that their own or other people's lives are in danger. Why does police kill so few? Because the danger is not considdered high enough to justify killing.
In Denmark it appears to be the trend, that civilians kill civilians with knives. That is bad, but still ... there was a very bad case lately in my hometown where 2 groups of people got into a big fight. One of the groups had been partying with Bandidos (equivalent of Hells Angels) earlyer on in the evening. One guy got killed? Why wasn't more people killed? Because even though "rocker hang arounds" where involved, no guns where available.
social peace and education is not a result of disarmament. bigger "more inhomogenous states" need to serve their constituents, not the other way around. if these states meet human needs, they will have peace. if they only serve the elite, they will work for disarmament, enslave the lower classes and breed violence.stardust wrote:It is a question of social peace and education.
How would one ensure that in other, bigger, more inhomogenous states ?!
there's nothing wrong with good, upstanding citizens owning weapons. criminals will always find a way to be armed, if arms exist.
speaking of the virginia tech debacle, it was only recently that guns were banned from the campus. virginia is a concealled carry state, meaning it's allowed to hide a gun on your person. imagine if 10-20% of that schools population was armed on that day. there wouldn't have been so many fatalities, maybe only the shooter's......
Immanuel, it's not justr people killed by the army and police, it's also that those entities feel safe herding human populations, especially those who disagree with the edicts of the king. to hell with the king and his minions. he is not better, more intelligent, more trustworthy or just more worthy than anyone else.
i know plenty of people with guns. they don't just automatically go around killing everybody, even in times of stress.
by the logic in this thread, denmark had better ban knives soon. people will find ways to kill each other from time to time. it's not cool and it's not just a result of the technology. a baseball bat or piece of pipe is pretty effective.
i know plenty of people with guns. they don't just automatically go around killing everybody, even in times of stress.
by the logic in this thread, denmark had better ban knives soon. people will find ways to kill each other from time to time. it's not cool and it's not just a result of the technology. a baseball bat or piece of pipe is pretty effective.
I have to say that your arguments in this discusion and in others before this keeps astounding me. Nevertheless I find it interesting to hear them.
Gary are you having a gun because the american society is violent and dangerous or because it's your "human right" to have one?
I'm just curious, but if you think we should just stop this topic right here, fine by me.
Cheers!
Thomas
Gary are you having a gun because the american society is violent and dangerous or because it's your "human right" to have one?
I'm just curious, but if you think we should just stop this topic right here, fine by me.
Cheers!
Thomas
But there is something very wrong with criminals, drug addicts, mentally ill, trigger happy, or just "too easy to scare" people having guns. And there more guns around, the easyer it will be for anybody to get a hold of one. With only few guns around, it is actually pretty hard to get them. Also that would include planning to get (and possibly wear) an illegal gun. This requires time and effort, and this requirement makes "spontaneus killing" (ie in selfdefense, cause the oponent might have a gun) much less likely.garyb wrote:there's nothing wrong with good, upstanding citizens owning weapons. criminals will always find a way to be armed, if arms exist.
But ... I am just a Northern European. My country does not have the same history of guns. So maybe, what I believe in is just not applicable on US soil. Gary, you say, that it is your human right to cary a gun. I say, that it is my human right to live in a country where it is not a human right to cary a gun. Again, history might make the difference. I would however seriously not feel safe to visit a country, where people find it nessesary to cary guns to protect them selves - no matter for what reason they think so.