Apple sucks ass!

[valis]

Actually Apple's time-to-market seems to be lagging about 2-3 months behind Intel actually shipping a given new technology or update to an existing one (chipset, cpu etc).

Presumably this gives Apple time to debug a bit more and Intel time to ramp up production to meet a pricepoint Apple is satisfied with.

Also, Intel also does Apple's motherboard design now (which you may already know?)

[garyb]

yep, just another pc......

[Shroomz~>]

It just had to happen. You don't need time-consuming & costly cross-platform development if there is to be only one prevailing platform.....

[astroman]

strangely all those 'proof of concept' examples are by companies involved in the anti-virus business...

[Cochise]

Does anybody could explain why there's no ISO codec?

[petal]

I don't believe that ISO is a codec at all. To my knowledge ISO is an image of a disc. You can use a program called "Daemon Tool" (its free) to load an ISO-file, and then you can access it as if it was inserted into a CD-drive.

[Cochise]

Sorry, I would mean a standard codec.
Why do I have to install many media players???
M$, like Apple, have their proprietary codecs; some media content can be played with Real only; some other are coded by Ogg Vorbis.
This kind of things make people goes mad.

[Cochise]

...and it's a problem for open source platforms

[garyb]

don't ask for fascism.

[Cochise]

don't ask for fascism.

Ok garyb.
But, honestly, I don't like so much you call it fascism.
As an Italian guy I prefer the word capitalism, considering the negative effects fascism brought.

[Counterparts]

I've found the DivX codec/player bundle to be pretty good at aplying more-or-less anything.

If you're not sure about the playback of a file (codecs-wise), d/l and install GSpot; this is a useful utility which can analyse any media file and tell you a) whether you have the required codecs to play it and b) what codecs you need to get to play it.

I know what you mean though, these days everything tries to be a 'media player', even IrFanView!

All of the above is Windows-specific btw, Apple only has QuickTime doesn't it..?

[Cochise]

I've found the DivX codec/player bundle to be pretty good at aplying more-or-less anything.

Thanks for the advice. That DivX player could be a good solution. Where can i find it?
It has however to use a bunch of codecs all the same..

don't ask for fascism.

I still have some problem with my English.
I understood something like "don't ask about fascism"
... Are you saying ISO=fascism?

For sure I don't like dictatorships, but don't you often feel like being in Babel tower?

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or that's your answer to Tom's post?

[King of Snake]

Sorry, I would mean a standard codec.
Why do I have to install many media players???
M$, like Apple, have their proprietary codecs; some media content can be played with Real only; some other are coded by Ogg Vorbis.
This kind of things make people goes mad.

I know what you mean though, these days everything tries to be a 'media player', even IrFanView!

All of the above is Windows-specific btw, Apple only has QuickTime doesn't it..?

quicktime is not a codec.
You can make a quikcktime with many different codecs, just like an .avi 9on windows) Why is there no "standard" codec? Well what standard would that be? There are many differend kinds of video with different purposes, thus many different codecs to handle different tasks, from highly compressed streaming video to uncompressed high-quality.
Besides, there's only a handful of codecs that the average media consumer is likely to encounter. Divx, Xvid, Sorenson, H.264, mpeg, WMV, Real, that's pretty much what you'll find on the internets. That's for video anyway, for audio it's of course usually mp3, sometimes OGGVorbis (which unlike mp3 is an open format and apparenty higher quality than mp3).

You don't really need many mediaplayers as long as you have to codecs installed.

[Cochise]

Simply, I wasn't be able yet to find/install on a single media player all the necessary codecs for all kind of media content on the web.
When people surf a page containing media not supported by the installed player, instructions are given for the (pseudo-automated) installation of a further player, not for futher codecs.
The standardization thing could be about media type (mpeg, avi, real, wma and so on), not about compression. The same codec format (i.e.Mp3, Jpeg, Mpeg) can has different levels of compression.
Doesn't any kind of standardization was made for the optical disk burning/reading processes?

Further, some web page uses compilation info to point at their media files, so codecs collection would include as the same all the proprietary compilation formats.

[garyb]

yes, iso or whatever "professional" organization is setting the standard as though it's a government is corporations running things, which is, by definition, fascism.

the multiple formats and specialized codecs are a sign of freedom.

some certain amount of cooperation from everybody is nice, however and much more convienient, so fascists always seem to find support, especially when they claim to be helping you. oh well, at least the trains run on time....(just to show that i don't hate iso)

[Counterparts]

I know what you mean though, these days everything tries to be a 'media player', even IrFanView!

All of the above is Windows-specific btw, Apple only has QuickTime doesn't it..?

quicktime is not a codec.

I never said it was! Re-read my post; I am talking about media players and the fact that just about every bloody windows application wants to be one and tries to hog all the file associations.

I then compared this to the situation on the Mac platform, which only seems to have Quicktime as its media player (probably not entirely true, but I was attempting to be humerous).

Royston

[Counterparts]

Thanks for the advice. That DivX player could be a good solution. Where can i find it?
It has however to use a bunch of codecs all the same..

Start here: http://www.divx.com/divx/windows/

...and yes, it does come with a bunch of codecs...not a lot you can do about that really...

[Liquid Len]

I agree with your concern of corporations defining 'reality' - like a textbook I saw once that described the 'five' tastes - salt, sour, sweet, bitter, and MSG (this book brought to you by the makers of MSG). I am not kidding - I think now they have to call it 'umami' and it isn't just MSG, but a number of spices and seasons. But where do you draw the line, a lot of innovations HAVE been brought to us by very big companies. The standards for using 110/220V, who determines those? Why must electricity be sold in this format? The calling conventions for C and C++ functions, which are implemented on both Mac and PCs and just about every other computer nowadays - who decided those? (My guess, computer scientists, very smart ones, albeit under the subtle mind control of giant telecomms they worked for.) Is a company like Behringer 'cheating' by bypassing the R&D phase, copying designs, and manufacturing in China to slow down the litigation process, or is this 'innovation' to bring the technology to the masses?

[Cochise]

To garyb:


From that perspective, things look pretty good.

Take the life by philosophy (in the hope this is the right translation) do help.

Sorry, now i'm going completely off thread and it wasn't in my intention but, I would really enjoy freedom sensations having lot of PC OS to choose from (without "limitations").



Probably corporations mostly represnt the interests of the bigger, but what does the market?

The less tangled the situation, easier to monitor it.

[Cochise]

Thanx Counterparts. I'm gonna try it.