lets think why more big companys want to make plugins for TC

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 4:01 pm

lets think why more big companys want to make plugins for TCpowercore than Creamware

what is that suppose to say?
what is the message?

you want to face that truth?

musquash · Post by **musquash** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:48 am

and now lets think why you still bother with creamware and this forum if you hate it so much

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:29 am

i agre with dxl and can't understand why some members don't want talk about some things and why won't to share some experiences with others. i wait for new computer and then i will try with xp, but now with win98 i have 2 major problems: when my cpu goes above 60% i have clicking sounds with more then 2 reverbs and slowmotion in pulsar's software that's imposible to work. i sale one pulsar board and still have one. now i wondering what to do with this board. for sure i will buy uad1 and i will try to use together with pulsar in xp!

lets think why more big companys want to make plugins for TCpowercore than Creamware
what is that suppose to say?
what is the message?
you want to face that truth?

this is good guestion. soon or later you must face with truth! soon is better than later! why we can't talk about everything!?
sandro

Zer · Post by **Zer** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:37 am

hmmm...and you still think that Creamwarecards are made for for cooking, tea serving and refridgerating??

I am somewhat sure that there´ll be NO All-in-one solutions based on just an audiocard...Buy some additional hardware effects and route them via adat...sounds a lot more professional...Make several Audiotakes from certain projects and put the audio takes together in a final project...Voilà...

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dxl · Post by **dxl** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 5:18 am

ha Zer u admit pulsar don't sound good huh
haaaaaaaaa
just fast the truth man

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 5:31 am

i still think that pulsar's sounds great, routhing and monitoring is great, but this is only one side of medal. i want talk about other too!
sandro

djody · Post by **djody** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 8:57 am

i guess its becourse TCPowercore has motorola dsp's and not sharks I've read on harmony central that Acces virus is coming to the powercore becourse of the fact it uses the same dsp's as there hardware ( so does protools hardware ) i guess i Creamware would make new hardware that is standard to the industie than developers will enter the ring. cos its easer to port it to the creamware platform that way...

Whell thats my 2 cents

Ps please stop nagging about pulsar the discusion isn't about that. Please read the question and anwser to that... cheers

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 9:06 am

Thanks for thinking positive

I think Pulsar is not a system for people who like to work in a classic studio. With straight lines, insert efx, aux fx, synths.

I want Pulsar for it's TOTAL freedom of project, you can route and modulate as you want, experiment with most crazy fx chains.

If I'm looking for a straight mixer and some synths, I open Cubase. I don't need DSP for that.

If you want a VST environment doubled on DSP, go ahead. I don't.

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 9:08 am

I might not wear Versache or Boss, I'm usually very nicely dressed

sinix · Post by **sinix** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:23 pm

Personally, I think all these DSP cards have their place... It's not cut and dry saying that just because Sony doesn't support Creamware that we have a substandard product. In case you don't know, it's my understanding that Sony's new DMX series mixers ($20k each) run on SHARC dsp chips! These mixers are getting rave reviews and are well on their way to becoming a major force in the recording/post world.

Soon, I'm adding a TC card and maybe a UAD along side my VST/32 Pulsar system. I'm done with external gear except for my last 2 synths which I'll never give up.

I strongly believe the future of project/mid sized studios are based around PC DAW systems running combinations of native and dsp systems.

I didn't buy Pulsar2 on hopes of what may or may not happen in the future. I bought it because of the features and tools available at the time of purchase. Everything else has been more icing on a very yummy cake!

Having owned many high end synths, I think some of the Creamware synths and Zarg (pro-1) along with the STS-5000 rate up there with just about any hardware I've owned to date. There are certainly some trade offs, but for my style of working, this is practically my dream setup. Your opinions certainly vary and I respect that.

Tools are tools and for me its been a long, hard road and I might add a very expensive one figuring out what works best for me.

Enjoy and make the best of what you got.

- sinix

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:42 pm

This is exactly the way i see my system, it's a tool, like any other tools, and i like my creamware toolbox alot!

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:21 am

Another way to view this (other than with clock cycles, etc) would be that since tc has the ability to release its own software, the bottom line is that the powercore can live on its own in house software. We'll all have to admit that while creamware can do the same, tc is a much more strongly established company. So of course at one glance, the TC has better longevity than the pulsar platform. It does have the potential to become a commercial success. The Powercore is a very strong product scheme.

Now, Pulsar comes from a different origin, or so it seems to me. It seems like it grew from a modular synthesizer... what if musicians could build their own toys? And that, in a rather complex form, is the DP platform. Which is not really a developer license that only big names can buy, but more of a product. I'd think buying a DP package is much easier than starting to make your own Powercore plugins. So this makes a big difference as to what sort of developers you get for the platform. Pulsar has developers showing up here, in Planet Z. Powercore has developers hidden neatly inside a humongous corporate pyramid. On Powercore, you don't get custom models for contest prizes... it's not that sort of a platform.

Frankly speaking, since I came from a Nord Modular, building my own synths, and the whole DA thing wasn't really new.. and I have some background in computer music (with csound a wierd whatnots) so I was doing lots of hands on synthesis before I came to Pulsar.. and so that aspect of the platform wasn't really interesting. (but it does, simply sound great) It's this "little people beat the big people" attitude underlying in the Pulsar concept, that I and probably many of the people here find appealing. When big guys do big things, just as they're expected to, it's boring.

And so it seems to me, that as long as the Pulsar has this framework, we won't see many big names. But we'll see some of the world's wackiest synthesizers with the craziest sounds, with the funkiest UI designs, with knobs that go way beyond sane levels! It's not in the big guy's interest to make such devices. They CAN'T... making any product is a high risk for them, and requires more definite bucks.

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Post by **garyb** » Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:44 pm

spoken well,kensuguro.also, tc is part of that incestuous so-called studio world were creamware is an up and commer.(in the u.s.)the entertainment industry is well known for being superstitious and change is slow.how many people still believe you can hammer in nails with an sm58 and use it for a major concert later? engineers inhale lots 'o' solder(lead) and geniuses still,they are often crazy.good god!!! who cares?i just need my shit to work well and sound good.(it does) that's the most important factor.not do i have x or y.clients however can be trouble if THEY need x or y..........

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Tue Jan 29, 2002 11:18 pm

Some kind of 'avanced user' advisory on the box at the local dealer may be required

I know someone who went to the shop, said to the dealer: 'Hi, I wanna make music.' Dealer said: 'You got a computer? This can do anything you want, the latest and greatest and bla bla.' He sold a Pulsar and Cubase VST Score that day.

maket · Post by **maket** » Wed Jan 30, 2002 12:32 am

I think the beginnig of Pulsar was really "revolution",something beyound other product.But what we see for now is problem of
Creamware company.They try separate us for different levels-pro,non pro etc...
Until now i cannot understand why i need pay for modular,wich free for Pulsar2 card customers?That my prize for that i'm first buy Creamware product???Sanx Creamware,but you'll lost your friends with this politic

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Wed Jan 30, 2002 3:31 am

We'll all be one happy family with 3.1

What you pay for now may one day be free - but that's just the way things work.

Unless Creamware did that then new users would really only be buying an empty shell and would need to pay for everything: synths, mixer, effects etc. How angry would you feel as a new user to disover that ?

This system applies in many industries: you buy early in the cycle then you pay the top price. If you're willing to wait then it's cheap or even free - but by then you're probably a generation behind. You see this everywhere.

I think CW is on a big upswing. Of course there's a few devices I'd really like to see - and I'd love some developers to work with the ModV2 - but isn't there always things you want no matter what product you use?

maket · Post by **maket** » Wed Jan 30, 2002 4:55 am

Sorry,I'm not Totally Obsessed Pulsar Geek.
I'm Totally Obsessed spirit of music Geek.

David · Post by **David** » Wed Jan 30, 2002 4:03 pm

Intresting...very intresting.
All this positive feeling makes me a very proud Pulsar owner/constuctor/designer/explorer

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Wed Jan 30, 2002 4:53 pm

just another creamware dealer

Air_PoLLo · Post by **Air_PoLLo** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:54 pm

Facts: Most big-time, money making studios uses the mac platform.
CW needs to improve their reputation in the mac scene in order to get themselves a foot in the "right" business. Only then will the "right" Developers port their stuff to Pulsar. (hehe I'm only giving another approach, not to be taken seriously)