Masterverb Test Thread

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:44 pm

On 2006-07-05 01:38, mjproc wrote:
1)Abit AG8 (3rd Eye), 1Gb DDR333, P4 3Ghz

2)Pulsar2 + Luna2 (9 DSP's)

3)Ati Radeon X300 (to be replaced...)

4)12 Masterverbs, 9 Masterverb Pro's

This is the best benchmarked motherboard I've used, but sadly only 2 pci slots on this mobo....

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You reached dsp limit before any pci overflow, right?

ibz01 · Post by **ibz01** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:05 am

I tested my pc, and I never had such a bad performance that I find in that test.
P4 I865 2.6 Ghz. On a QDI board P4I865PEA.(intel chipset)
2Gb RAM (DDR 320)(3 years old motherboard and processor). With Scope Pro+Pulsar I+Pulsar I SRB (23 dsp's). And Geforce 6200
I get the PCI overflow at the MV'9.
And de DSP load counter is less than 50%.

I usually work in projects that use more than the 75% of dsp's.
But in that test, my computer gets a really horrible place

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I've made a WinXP easy and tweaked install with NLITE (nliteos.com) but maybe is tweaked too much to get a good performance?
What I'm doing wrong?
Help !!!!!
I know that I can work with a better computer performance.
Thanks

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:05 am

On 2006-07-18 01:05, ibz01 wrote:
...I get the PCI overflow at the MV'9.

that's exactly the same value Katano mentions in the 'Type II Versus Type I cards'-thread when he runs a generation one board together with a recent PowerPulsar.
With only generation 2 boards expect between 12 and 16 Masterverbs instead of 9 (according to the average results that have been posted)

These figures are not related to the DSP load at all, and whether they 'degrade' your system depends only on the use of heavy reverbs like the STW Ambience (obviously the top scorer in PCI demand)

cheers, Tom

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:07 am

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:17 am

I didn't write that ALL 3 DSP cards are generation 2 boards in the 'type 1 versus 2' thread (on which you contributed) for nothing

do glasses apply, or is it something else that narrows your scope ?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:52 am

On 2006-03-30 13:40, alfonso wrote:
On 2006-03-02 01:09, legros wrote:
you bet! this laptop is quite amazing.. when i'm finished with all the testing, i'll sure post the specs of the system in the old magma/laptop thread
wich is the cardbus controller?

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sorry alphonso, i missed this; cardbus controller is texas instruments - of course

katano · Post by **katano** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:27 am

tom wrote: that's exactly the same value Katano mentions in the 'Type II Versus Type I cards'-thread when he runs a generation one board together with a recent PowerPulsar.
With only generation 2 boards expect between 12 and 16 Masterverbs instead of 9 (according to the average results that have been posted)

yep, and with 2 type2 boards it was not the pci overflow message i got. it was a "could not connect..." or somewhat like this message. even if i've installed 5 S/TDM cables between my two powerpulsars

cheers
roman

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mjproc · Post by **mjproc** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:43 am

You reached dsp limit before any pci overflow, right?

Yes, dsp limit correct. (Actually I've ever seen the error message, pci overflow)

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:16 am

ASUS P4S8X
2.00 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4
1.5 GB
RADEON 9200

Pulsar I, Luna, Pulsar II

I can only load 2 masterverbs before the PCI overflow message! but the odd thing is that I can instead run:

1 ambience, 1 masterverb, 1 masterverb pro, 1 optimaster with no error. That is all I need for now.

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:34 am

here my setup, just for the record:

1) - Asus P4C-800E-DLX (yes, this one has 6 PCI slots

EDIT: 5 Slots.
- P4 3.0 GHz (Northwood)
- 2 GB RAM (4x KVR400X72C3A/512) ECC

2) - 1x Pulsar2 Classic
- 1x Scope Home
(current, but variable setup)
- additional sb live platinum and 3ware sata controller (we remember: 5 slots

)

3) MSI GeForce 5900XT AGP Card

4) 12 MV before dsp limit reached
9 MVPro before dsp limit reached

no PCI overflow

assuming that "empty environment" means a really empty routing window I cleared off everything, including i/o modules, though the (no-so-precise) dsp load meter didn't seem to notice a change after closing the mixer.

I also noticed that opening another mv instance brings up the dsp limit message, if reached. closing this instance brings up the message again, and the red led on the dsp meter stucks lit, until you close another instance, leaving me 11 in that case.

personally I can recommend this board, not only for having that much slots. mine is stable and allows me free assigning (free to a certain amount

of irqs to slots for irq sharing avoidance. at that time I bought it it was one of the few integrating all kinds of peripheral communication ports onboard (such as gb lan, iee1394, usb2, and, yes, even sound

, though sharing resources with pci slots, but leaving the slots free.

-greetings, markus-

EDIT:
I don't know what is altering my memory, but of course this board has only 5 pci slots. still enough, and after all, I can get rid of the sb live the very moment I have a solution for the headphones socket going away with the live drive...

ARCADIOS · Post by **ARCADIOS** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:16 am

check this out after the masterverbtest.

asus ic7g, prescott 3.0, 2g ram
asus nvidia 6800ultra agp8

pulsar2+scope pro= 20dsps (first the pulsar2 and second the scope pro because scope pro as board0 gives dsp capacity reached very soon)

i mention that the results are quite similar if i set 44.1 or 48. in 96khz it is different cause each module needs much more dsp power and i get the dsp capacity message soon.
ully settings make not much difference in 44,1 and 48khz.

well i have the empty routing window now.

11 masterverbs pro without message
12 masterverbs pro dsp capacity message.
no pci overflow message.

this is kind of limitation not according to dsp power i suppose because it reaches only about half dsp power.
with 11 masterverb pros and after i can load other modules easily, for ex i load minimax and raise polyphony till the 100% of dsp power, or in combination with other modules

PLEASE CHECK THIS YOU GUYS:

i changed a little the test and in an empty project i started loading optimasters.

does this happen to you??

i load 5 optimasters and on the 6th scope shuts down.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nomatter full or empty routing window.
5 is the limit, 6 freezes scope for 2,3 seconds and sfp is shutdown at once!

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Post by **garyb** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:08 am

why in the world would you use 5 optimasters?

ARCADIOS · Post by **ARCADIOS** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:04 am

i know it is beyond needs but it is not beyond dsp power.
i mean how can this happen?
it is just testing sfp behaviour.
just try and tell me. i am curious. is it just my scope that reacts this way?
in the past i had problems with sfp needs to close messages when i loaded samplers.
i solved it after clean xp installation.
i think that the issue has to do with knowing scopes litle problems and getting more experienced to its behaviour.
for example if i wanted to just try use more than 5 optimasters in a multichannel project just to see how it sounds, since i have 20 dsp power shouldn't that be ok?
i mean hoe can i reach about 100% with just adding polyphony in synths and not be able to test if i like in extreme situation?
i don't want to be neggative about scope but the truth is that the ONLY indicator we have all scope users is the dsp meter.
how else do we now what is going to happen?
now in the middle of a project i will not try to load more than five optimasters because all of system will collapse. but who tells me about other secret bad combinations in the middle of working?

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:00 pm

trust in your system - don't build up negative feedback.
It's revenge WILL hit you - in the middle of a project...

cheers, Tom

ARCADIOS · Post by **ARCADIOS** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:25 am

trust my system as i can trust a woman maybe?

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kylie · Post by **kylie** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:35 am

i load 5 optimasters and on the 6th scope shuts down.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nomatter full or empty routing window.
5 is the limit, 6 freezes scope for 2,3 seconds and sfp is shutdown at once!

so much for curiosity...

you're lucky. I can load 4, and the 5th gives me first a hint that he's missing a dsp file (something containing "oscar"). then doc watson comes up and scope is gone. but it gets even worse... in that special case I ended up with a bad bad freeze. be sure I won't test drive that again..

I have to admit this is no fresh install of win2k. it lasts for more than 2 years now, and I experiment a lot, including several installs of scope. but this error seems systematic. kids don't try this at home... :/

-greetings, markus-

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:58 am

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ARCADIOS · Post by **ARCADIOS** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:02 pm

curiosity?.......... not only.

i am not even 1% of thomas edissons mind but i will borrow what he said to a friend when he failed over 1000 times to make a batery work.
i have discoverded 1000 ways of not working.

so day by day we discover more and more occasions that scope won't work

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ARCADIOS · Post by **ARCADIOS** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:11 pm

ups... 12dsps across 3 cards and no crashing?
my 20 dsp sfp crash on the 6th optmaster in just 30% of dsp load. strange.
i have to make it more stable.
cset.ini might help.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:16 pm

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