oasys project still alive at korg?

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:48 am

http://www.korg.com/gear/prod_info.asp?A_PROD_NO=OASYS

I thought development stopped..

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:08 am

On the PCI card, yes.

On the $8000 keyboard for hotel foyer noodlers, no...

Herr Voigt · Post by **Herr Voigt** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:19 pm

Five-stars-keyboards for five-stars-hotels.
But five-star-noodlers?

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:21 pm

It is the ultimate " lounge lizzard keyboard. " I could easily see someone sequencing " I've Been Through The Desert On A Horse With No Name." The Open Labs, Oasys all in one solutions have the benefit of having your whole gig in a box. Push and play as I call it. IMHO the performer knows what he needs the most, not some locked up tech heads trying to make a fortune off of old re wrapped technology. Korg, Roland, Yamaha, they all suffer from that canned sound no matter what they do. They have been milking their designs 4 years now, nothing new just re hashed crap jammed into a keyboard. At least with Open Labs you can customise your instrument selection a little more though, and I heard a guy doing Girl From Impanema and it was GGGRRREEEAAATTT!!!!!

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:36 am

I really like the look of the smaller Open Labs keyboard (Miko)... potentially could be rather fun.

I wonder if it has PCI slots?

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kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:47 am

ya, the openlabs is potentially an interesting idea for my extremely space limited home to be in NY. It's actually in NJ, which alleviates the horrible living conditions just a bit, but still how big can a 1BR be ya know?
OpenLabs neko.. for the cramped and extra room-less.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:50 pm

Except that it is loud and right in front of your face. Enough speed, I wish they would get rid of all fan noise, especially for musicians but in my opinion noise pollution affects all of our lives in a negative way and makes life more miserable.

John Cooper · Post by **John Cooper** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:10 am

On 2006-07-16 19:21, scope4live wrote:

They have been milking their designs 4 years now, nothing new just re hashed crap jammed into a keyboard.

Well, that's not exactly how I would characterize the OASYS. The development started entirely from scratch in 2001. Yes, Korg has some commitment to consistency with their previous products, so of course you'll see some design similarities to Triton, OASYS-PCI, etc. But there's an emormous amount of entirely new and exciting technology in the OASYS.

You can't directly compare the NEKO and OASYS. The products have entirely different goals. I would imagine a typical Scope user would be more turned on by the Neko than the OASYS, as the Neko is more familiar- it's essentially a high end PC running windows, in a nice box with some cool control surfaces - and you can run whatever windows software you want (altho I don't think you can fit a scope card in there!)

But I hope you'll get a chance to play and listen to OASYS, if only just to experience its phenomenal sound quality and the richness of the voice models. The analog and string models are particularly amazing.

Uncompromising sound quality, comprehensive feature integration, 100% rock-solid stability and the expandability of the architecture are what makes OASYS awesome- and you can't find this combination on any other platform.

As for the price, I agree it's prohibitively expensive for most. But while the OASYS product is the new Korg flagship, it's also the foundation of a new technology platform which will trickle down into less expensive products. And we're continuously working on improving that platform, and adding new stuff.

Cheers,
John
(Senior Software Engineer at Korg R&D, since 2001)

John Cooper · Post by **John Cooper** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:11 am

On 2006-07-16 15:19, Herr Voigt wrote:
Five-stars-keyboards for five-stars-hotels.
But five-star-noodlers?

Here's a 5 star noodler for you- but I doubt you'll see him playing any hotel lobbies

http://www.korg.com/sbytes/article.asp?ArtistID=243

-John

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:43 am

Korg R&D, now that's a cool place to be.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:24 pm

Yeah I can respect that John, and I do recognise it can be a very cool thing in the right hands.

Incidentally, did you have any input on the new Radias synth? I've not really experienced it, but it did get my curiosity as it seemed to have some new ideas.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:27 pm

Incidentally I think a lot of the criticism of the Oasys keyboard stems from the fact that it tends to be demoed as a 'band in a keyboard' kind of thing.

I guess if you showcased the individual parts of the system a bit more, maybe in the context of other instrumentation it might appeal to more people. Although I guess the price is fairly prohibitive.. more affordable offshoot synths based on it would be cool.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:33 pm

When I stick my foot in my mouth, it usually comes all the way out my arse. I hate the customer support of the big company's so much I tend to become quite ignorant in some of their achievments, I apologise John. I did hear the Namm demo, and I was so so on the matter. They should never try to do saxophones, as it never sounds real, and makes one shake his head in dismay. Maybe I should go to NAMM again and see how the other models sound. It just seems to me that everyone is making the all in one keyboard these days. The sucsess of the PCM based Triton has obviously funded the R & D department to do some good things. The Oasys PCI card was IMHO very good, but it was a pain to use live. I was hoping that they would continue their support of it. That is why I never buy big company stuff anymore. The first time my CS-80 went down, it was a fortune to buy and fix. Then suddenly they drop all support. Same 4 Oasys PCI from what I've been told. I watched the big boys screw me and other people 4 so long, that I won't even look at their stuff anymore. Since you have commented on this matter, and I value your opinion, and your devotion to this great forum, I will look into this matter, and trust me, if the physical modelling has improved, you might have a sale. I do rather well here in LV and would like to stay ahead of the game with new gear. Get it while you can is my motto, that's why I'm building another SFP DAW. I am sorry again, I didn't mean to insult you. You think SFP DAW's and Oasys would rock the known world apart? I shall investigate further.

_________________
Jimmy V.

On the first part of the journey,.....

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John Cooper · Post by **John Cooper** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:06 pm

I wasn't insulted- just wanted to dispel potential disinformation.

If you were hearing some saxophones in a demo, that'd be sample-based PCM programming. OASYS doesn't (yet) have a wind instrument physical model. I agree that saxes are really difficult to get right- especially sample-based ones. The OASYS-PCI had a pretty nice wind model that did awesome flutes

OASYS 1.0 shipped with the AL-1 analog and CX-3 drawbar organ models. Version 1.1 included the STR-1 plucked string model. Next version will have some other new stuff

I guarantee that you won't be disappointed when you hear the physical models. They're awesome. There's some new technology in the AL-1 oscillators that provide extremely low aliasing across all frequencies, while remaining very bright. A lot of software (and hardware for that matter) claim aliasing-free oscillators, but "aliasing-free" is virtually impossible in the digital world, and you'll find that most sound pretty bad when pushed to extremes (like very high frequency while shifting pitch). The OASYS oscillators excel in this area (which improves sound across the entire frequency spectrum).

The PCM model also sounds great- with some of the best sounding interpolation out there...

Cheers,
John

John Cooper · Post by **John Cooper** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:07 pm

On 2006-07-18 13:24, darkrezin wrote:
Incidentally, did you have any input on the new Radias synth? I've not really experienced it, but it did get my curiosity as it seemed to have some new ideas.

Korg R&D wasn't directly involved in the Radias - it was developed by the team in Japan. But it borrows some of the low-aliasing oscillator technology from the OASYS AL-1.

Cheers,
-John

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:16 pm

My interest is now piqued! BTW, I enjoy your comments and input very much. You should keep us posted on the Oasys, I 4 one would like to watch it's maturity, and you obviously are directly involved with it's sucsess.