I've been checking this vsti out for quite some time.. it's an additive resynthesis synth for pads and whatnot. Just wondering if anyone's had first hand experience with it.
http://www.camelaudio.com/cameleon5000.php
I'm doodling around with the demo, but if you've had it for some time, let me hear about it.
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anyone use camelphat cameleon?
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Yes I got the Camelon few months back.
Mostly I use it as a preset player on my live gigs. But I have made some own presets already.
The main reason why I got it was the additive spectral modeling synthesis concept.
I had no additive synth (except the black additive scope synth),so I was very interested in the Cameleon.
Second reason was, that I wanted a Vectron like "morphing" synth and Cameleon has this too.
All features that come with the Cameleon make this synth to a very unique one, there is no other synth out there that has a similar concept.
The sonic results, sounds, are very unique and once you use them, you add a very nice "earcandy" to your tracks. I never regret my purchase.
Mostly, I use the Camelon´s pad/ambient sounds, sfx and some leads. They always wake up the attention of the listeners.
You can hear some Cameleon work in this track, the vocal sfx and main rhythm loop are Cameleon. Most of the other sounds are from the Cronox3.
http://spring-of-sound.de/tracks/Christ ... ay_Off.mp3
To create your own sounds can get a bit tricky, camel audios blueprint concept, they analyse samples to partials and noise portions, is as clever as strange.
You´ll get the best results when you use single note samples as your resources.
The use of pitch changing spoken text samples for example, can end in a not satisfying result.
But I enjoy the way to create own sounds, it´s fast and innovative.
Load four samples of different kinds, Pizzcato, choir, string, piano, mix the partials and noise portions to your like, set them to a loop mode, enlarge the sample length to 500 percent, draw a morph curve (loop it after the attack part) and add some effects to it, Synced to your tempo or not).
Ready is your new unique ambient pad that has a piano and pizzcato sound as attack and a stringish choir as a body.
The vector morph thing gives me always new possibilities to combine different instruments to a new sound and wakes up my creativity and expermental appetite again and again.
As you can see, I really want to recommend you to the Cameleon.
In the recent time it is one big highlight in the soft synth world, IMHO.
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Mostly I use it as a preset player on my live gigs. But I have made some own presets already.
The main reason why I got it was the additive spectral modeling synthesis concept.
I had no additive synth (except the black additive scope synth),so I was very interested in the Cameleon.
Second reason was, that I wanted a Vectron like "morphing" synth and Cameleon has this too.
All features that come with the Cameleon make this synth to a very unique one, there is no other synth out there that has a similar concept.
The sonic results, sounds, are very unique and once you use them, you add a very nice "earcandy" to your tracks. I never regret my purchase.
Mostly, I use the Camelon´s pad/ambient sounds, sfx and some leads. They always wake up the attention of the listeners.
You can hear some Cameleon work in this track, the vocal sfx and main rhythm loop are Cameleon. Most of the other sounds are from the Cronox3.
http://spring-of-sound.de/tracks/Christ ... ay_Off.mp3
To create your own sounds can get a bit tricky, camel audios blueprint concept, they analyse samples to partials and noise portions, is as clever as strange.
You´ll get the best results when you use single note samples as your resources.
The use of pitch changing spoken text samples for example, can end in a not satisfying result.
But I enjoy the way to create own sounds, it´s fast and innovative.
Load four samples of different kinds, Pizzcato, choir, string, piano, mix the partials and noise portions to your like, set them to a loop mode, enlarge the sample length to 500 percent, draw a morph curve (loop it after the attack part) and add some effects to it, Synced to your tempo or not).
Ready is your new unique ambient pad that has a piano and pizzcato sound as attack and a stringish choir as a body.
The vector morph thing gives me always new possibilities to combine different instruments to a new sound and wakes up my creativity and expermental appetite again and again.
As you can see, I really want to recommend you to the Cameleon.
In the recent time it is one big highlight in the soft synth world, IMHO.
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It's a pretty good synth, IMHO the best and most usable of the native additive/resynthesis stuff (although also have a look at White Noise Additive Synth and DoppelMangler).
Don't expect it to sound 'fat' - but this is not what this synth is for. It's good for textures, special effects, pads etc IMHO.. but you have the demo so I guess you don't need me to tell you this
Don't expect it to sound 'fat' - but this is not what this synth is for. It's good for textures, special effects, pads etc IMHO.. but you have the demo so I guess you don't need me to tell you this
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this thing is amazing. It's kind of yester-year technology re-realized in vst world.. but there's something about the way it morphs the sounds that's quite unlike anything else. Maybe it's because the partials aren't fading in/out, but are actually continuous between the morphs, but just changing in amplitude and pitch.
Anyhow, I'm pretty convinced about this one. A winner for pads!
Chris> btw, I was also looking at Cronox3 too. Any ideas on the cronox?
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Anyhow, I'm pretty convinced about this one. A winner for pads!
Chris> btw, I was also looking at Cronox3 too. Any ideas on the cronox?
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Oops, I am a bit late on this, sorry Ken.
Well, my ideas about the Cronox.
It´s a very good sampler player, it comes with a ton of samples and presets, meant to be used in the more trancy way of music, I think.
But as it is sample based, it´s up to you which sounds you create.
Along to this you can switch to an oscillator mode, no fixed settings, you can "morph" around through the waveforms, together with a the osc symmetry (shaper) you can reach nearly all usual waveforms.
The dry sound of a single osc sounds a bit poor for my taste, but you can use four generators and once everything goes into the filter, wow.
The sound of the filters are pressurefull, definately one of the better vsti´s.
Anyway there are only lp12,24 a 24hp and a hp12 but I like their sound.
X/Y faders for the important functions, a clever GUI, a huge modulation matrix, arpeggiator and six effect slots with good quality effects, make this synth very complex but useable and easy to handle.
The sample sections are with keyzones, loop settings.. and all that what you should expect. Along with a time and a schrader mode, that can transform a sample to a wavetable like sound. I don´t went very far into this part, though.
When you need a good sounding synth, with a trancy to ambient library, a complex structure but with a very good easy to use GUI, you´ll get much for your money.
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Well, my ideas about the Cronox.
It´s a very good sampler player, it comes with a ton of samples and presets, meant to be used in the more trancy way of music, I think.
But as it is sample based, it´s up to you which sounds you create.
Along to this you can switch to an oscillator mode, no fixed settings, you can "morph" around through the waveforms, together with a the osc symmetry (shaper) you can reach nearly all usual waveforms.
The dry sound of a single osc sounds a bit poor for my taste, but you can use four generators and once everything goes into the filter, wow.
The sound of the filters are pressurefull, definately one of the better vsti´s.
Anyway there are only lp12,24 a 24hp and a hp12 but I like their sound.
X/Y faders for the important functions, a clever GUI, a huge modulation matrix, arpeggiator and six effect slots with good quality effects, make this synth very complex but useable and easy to handle.
The sample sections are with keyzones, loop settings.. and all that what you should expect. Along with a time and a schrader mode, that can transform a sample to a wavetable like sound. I don´t went very far into this part, though.
When you need a good sounding synth, with a trancy to ambient library, a complex structure but with a very good easy to use GUI, you´ll get much for your money.
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CronoX 3 didn't do a ton for me, but I already have so many options for sampling that I don't need it really. I also used the demo copy which has a rather small content library, so that might factor into the device more than I was able to see (as Chris states above).
CamelAudio stuff is great, all of their plugins are quite good sounding imo. Chameleon5000 seemed the best of the additive vsti's that I tried. I really like fast morphing between a simpler/"rounder" sound and a brasher or more texturally interesting sound. Can give results that are nice & rhythmic without sounding like a 'trancegate' that's all too common these days. The 'analysis' options that all the software additive engines have now makes coming up with sounds very fast & easy.
However I also found that Cube was way too metallic & harsh for my tastes, and DiscoDSP Vertigo wasn't bad (using a BMP instead of an audio file for the resynthesis algorithm is cool) but with only 2 voices it seems a bit more tame to my ears. I did try the White Noise plugins a bit but I must confess not enough to give a proper comparison. None of the above come close to what a Kawai k5000 sounds like imo (in terms of sheer control over every individual partial), but none have it's incredible complexity & tedium of programming either. I'm still kicking myself for not picking it up when someone offered it to me for $500 at an old job.
CamelAudio stuff is great, all of their plugins are quite good sounding imo. Chameleon5000 seemed the best of the additive vsti's that I tried. I really like fast morphing between a simpler/"rounder" sound and a brasher or more texturally interesting sound. Can give results that are nice & rhythmic without sounding like a 'trancegate' that's all too common these days. The 'analysis' options that all the software additive engines have now makes coming up with sounds very fast & easy.
However I also found that Cube was way too metallic & harsh for my tastes, and DiscoDSP Vertigo wasn't bad (using a BMP instead of an audio file for the resynthesis algorithm is cool) but with only 2 voices it seems a bit more tame to my ears. I did try the White Noise plugins a bit but I must confess not enough to give a proper comparison. None of the above come close to what a Kawai k5000 sounds like imo (in terms of sheer control over every individual partial), but none have it's incredible complexity & tedium of programming either. I'm still kicking myself for not picking it up when someone offered it to me for $500 at an old job.