Are the UAD-1 effects better than Scope Project Effects?...

Poa · Post by **Poa** » Sun May 14, 2006 8:26 pm

Now I know that the scope systems have more to offer the the UAD-1. However I am really concerend about how good do the effects sound in comparison...

1. Which has better effects for mixing the UAD-1 or the Scope Project?

2. Does the scope trully come through in that mode were you can use it as a VST like using the UAD-1?

3. In VST mode, how much can be done (work-load-wise) with the Scope Project Card apossed to using the UAD-1 before I need to add another card?

4. Should I sell my SPL MixDream Analog Summing BUS and mix-to-sum totally in the Scope Project Card; which product would give a more-so true analog and authentic sound?

5. I use an RME Multiface first Generation and it out performs Pro-tools HD in the sound quality department, should I sell it and mix/track soelly with Scope; does the scope sound just as good in comparison to RME?

Thank you all so much for feed back, I like to shop but when I buy I like to make a purchase and not regret anything and move on with life. As well as I like to keep my budget correct...

Now purchasing a UAD-1 Ultra Pak will cost a few hundred$$ under what it would cost for me to build a PC get an I/O interface to link my MAC Dual G4 & a new PC plus purchasing a Scope Project Card. I know that the scope does more but I am more so wondering about the above questions that I asked previously. cool

Noone in the state of Georgia sales these creamware and the only guy I know here at Atlanta Pro-Audio has used them and he says, "5 years ago when he was selling them at GC people where bringing them back saying the cards sucked." He then moved to sell me something else. "I think the product seems cool", but I need help with the the above questions sieing that I have not used one yet.
I mean this whole thing on selling my SPL MixDream; saying the Scope will SUM just as good at the end of the day; that is pretty BAZAAR!

My stlye is ROCK/Pop/Soul/HipHop and my studio is built for private purposes not for public usage...

Please HELP,
I need solutions for my desicion.

Poa`
Star On Eye Entertainment/Records

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Post by **garyb** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:08 am

here is just one example of great plugins available for scope that uad can't do: http://www.digitalaudiosoft.com/

the uad has some great plugins as well. many users here have both. i haven't missed it.

Wired · Post by **Wired** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:42 am

ya, i'm finding that the excursions of using uad or powercore (which i sold both) have been a good tutorial for useing the creamware ones better, eg. the 1176 on uad is like the real one, (increase attack for more attack clockwise, and same for release), however on the vinco, its the opposite, not an emulation. The peak setting on the vinco is better for hearing the attack and release on a drumloop than RMS. I WOULD REALLY INVEST ALL THIS MONEY ON A GOOD EXTERNAL COMP, LIKE THE TFPRO P38 OR THE PORTICO . Too many of us have wasted money on 'plugs' to save money on our wallets, but no digital emulation can replace the circuitry of a well engineered class a peice of gear, the depth of the image is worth the investment, ...that said, stick with recording on vdat in creamware, and buy the good plugs, like brainworx's bx bundle

JamMusic · Post by **JamMusic** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:44 am

thanks wired I just bought 2 portico 5032 and one portico compressor they stand just beside my UA 6176 and the vt 737sp Avalon
and all this sounds really nice...
and I agree that the UAD1 pluggs helped me tu use the scope ones in a better way especialy the mastering tools

craighuddy · Post by **craighuddy** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:20 am

On 2006-05-15 10:08, garyb wrote:
here is just one example of great plugins available for scope that uad can't do: http://www.digitalaudiosoft.com/

the uad has some great plugins as well. many users here have both. i haven't missed it.

But these are not available. Only Demos. They look very interseting though. Any idea on when you can purchase them?

Post by **garyb** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:01 pm

have to ask them...soon i think...

there is really a wealth of high quality scope plugins regardless. i could have used celmo's BAM or tape echo as examples or spacef's stuff of John Bowen's or the transient designer or.....

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:29 pm

On 2006-06-04 13:01, garyb wrote:
...i could have used celmo's BAM or tape echo as examples ...

yes, NI's Guitar Rig, hyped as '... probably the best virtual...' seems almost anemic compared to BAM (the guitar presets) and now Roland's virtual SpaceEcho is announced in a similiar way.
We have Celmo's (though it models a different machine) and SpaceF's Echo3 - for what reason did Roland try to hire Mehdi some time ago then ?

Why did Hans Zimmer ask John for a Wave emulation ?

on the other hand almost any comparison review of the various DSP platforms I can remember had the same bottom line:
get them all if you can afford

cheers, Tom

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Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:11 pm

Agreed,

Get them all if you can... I have a Creamware Pro, UAD-1 and a TC Powercore, I plan to buy the SLL Duende as well.

Its funny because I have very few true VST, I either use DSP devices or VST/Romplers such as the Spectrasonics stuff.

I only use a few NI's all the time.

Cheers

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:36 pm

Just cause I'm a DSP addict now, do these plugs 4 TCP,and UAD have the ability do real time, like I use Scope 4. Cause I have heard the T.C.Powercore synth here in a local jingle house and was shocked at how poor it sounded, so I shouldn't assume that their plugs 4 audio are weak, for they seem to emulate very powerful mastering tools. I am curious if they could be used 4 live work.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:52 am

In my experience they are not suitable for live/real-time work. At low buffer sizes you get dropouts, crackles etc.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:29 am

(increase attack for more attack clockwise, and same for release), however on the vinco, its the opposite, not an emulation.

errr.... my Vinco does work like that.

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:00 am

I don't have much time right now, but I will do a direct comparison with audio-demo for the
Vinco vs. 1176.
I think that it does not make sence to compare other plugs... yes, maybe dynatube vs. nigel ... o.k.
I don't own fairchild & others... To what shall I compare LA-2A or the EQs?
I could compare Poltec vs. Pultec, O.k. that'll makes sence.

I think in two weeks I will have much more time. I'm very curious about the results too. My bet is: Vinco vs. 1176 => both very good, but sound different. Nigel vs. Dynatube => Nigel not as flexible and not as realistic as dynatube. Poltec vs. Pultec => Pultec better sounding, but Poltec more possibilities (I don't own Pultec Pro). Just my bet (I haven't done a direct comparison so far), you will be able to judge by yourself when I'll make some high resolution MP3s.

Martin

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devastate · Post by **devastate** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:25 am

i might be wrong but doesn't the vinco emulate the 1176 LN in limiter (peak) mode and the La-2a in compressor (RMS) mode?

I thought I had read this somewhere but it was a while ago, if so, it can still be used for comparrison

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:41 pm

As I do not own any BIG analogue hardware machine, for me it is not so important what emulates what, for me counts: does it sound sweet?

I did a first check with pultecs and Vintage-Compressors. Did not make a wav so far, cause it's quite difficult to compare those plugs. You have to tweak them to get a similar sound. It just does not work, to set the "same" values.

My first result:
I think vinco is a very flexible and very good sounding compressor. Comparing it to the 1176LN I found nothing that would make me use UAD-card compressor instead of vinco, althoug h there is also nothing that would make me use creamware over UAD. CW is more flexible than UAD, but UAD has other very, very good sounding compressors. The cheapest UAD sounds better than the cheapest creamware comps: just my opinion...

To compare Poltec vs. Pultec is difficult, cause the interface and value settings differ even more.
I managed to get the 'basic' Pultec-EQ-sound out of Poltec, but Poltec never sounded as sweet and soft as Pultec. There seems to be something that brings life to the sound in Pultec something like a very soft compressor movement in frequency-bands... and something like an exciter in the high bands... Maybe I'm wrong... I have to do a blind test... I still have the plan to make mp3s or wav direct comparison.

I also listened to the standard EQs in UAD-card. Man, they sound very fat and soft. Sorry, but I could not hear anything like it in Scope.
I also haven't heard anything like PsyQ in UAD, so it's as someone else allready stated:
Get both if you can afford it!

M.

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:36 am

O.K. I did some tests, but gave it up finally. I have a personal opinion, which of the plugs sounds better, but this can easily depend on the settings and situation, cause both sound really different.

I comparded Comps & I compared Pul&Poltecs.

First part in the audio demo is source material.

Second & third are comps, 4th & 5th are Puoltecs.

As I said, I did some more testing. The source is kind of extreme for the compressors and puoltecs sound totally different anyway.

Guess what is what, I'm very curious....
I will put it in the music-section...

Martin