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petal · Post by **petal** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:31 am

I wonder how the people of New Orleans are feeling about that attitude?

arela · Post by **arela** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:49 am

Anybody remember the oil crises in 1974?
Strange!
This whole thing seems to be more politics than realisme.

Norwegian oil production profits, is estimated to be more than 10.000 euros pr norwegian each year - and rising
- as an indulgence, we have the highest invirement taxes too!
(nice to say so when it comes to the next Kyoto negotiations)

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:20 am

either way, slavery and deception is the issue. the only truly american issues, i might also suggest.

And not just american issues either.

[ This Message was edited by: Shroomz on 2006-04-29 12:22 ]

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:53 am

I'd say a global treaty to completely stop weapons production & put global weapons budgets to better use might be a pretty damn good starting point. Defense is over-rated. For centuries people have been arming up to the hilt in the name of defense & only caused war & destruction as a result. Defense from what exactly? You only need defense if you go around making enemies ...

Stop bombing, raping & stealing from middle-eastern countries. Stop stealing their oil & gas. Stop killing your own soldiers by sending them to their deaths in a 'cover up' outrage of a war in Iraq. Stop manipulating the media to cover up your actions. Stop manipulating & infiltrating political matters in the middle east. Ban production of fuel guzzling MPV's/SUV's & cars with engines larger than 1.6L. Ban importation of produce globally which can be grown locally within a country....etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Something should probably be done about the core make-up & structure of society & who runs it. But what exactly? People that realise how fuc*ed things are generally don't fancy themselves as polititions who may be able to contribute, but do we really think Tony & George are running the show?

Post by **garyb** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:03 pm

On 2006-04-29 11:31, petal wrote:
I wonder how the people of New Orleans are feeling about that attitude?

it doesn't change the truth, regardless of their feelings.

reread my post.

as with Bingo, this is not an adversarial post.

[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2006-04-29 14:07 ]

Post by **garyb** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:05 pm

On 2006-04-29 12:51, stardust wrote:
at the end of the oil we will see what happens...If we are in the mood then.

oil CAN'T end until the earth does. it is made in the earth. oil PRODUCTION can certainly stop as can oil USE. we'll see what the false gods who rule this planet have in store....

Post by **garyb** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:07 pm

On 2006-04-29 12:20, Shroomz wrote:
either way, slavery and deception is the issue. the only truly american issues, i might also suggest.
And not just american issues either.

well....too true.

[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2006-04-29 14:08 ]

petal · Post by **petal** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:16 pm

I fail to see the logic in your agument. Who would be interested in making people believe "the Hoax"?

On the other hand it's easy to see why some people would be interested in making people believe global warming is a hoax.

Don't get me wrong - I truely hope that you are right and I am wrong and that there is no global warming, because what "the hoax" has coming for us is a rather grimm future.

Nevertheless I don't believe that anything truely different will be done within the next 20-30 years, and then it's supposed to be too late anyways...

Now where was I..?... oh yes: *launches Scope

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Post by **garyb** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:34 pm

i never claimed that the globe is not warming.

if you check the nasa figures on their sun watching program, you'll see that the sun's output is up by as much as 50% in the last 10 years. that's only ONE factor. there is much more happening than we are being told in mass media. most good info is only in professional papers not read by the public. here is the soho project that has been monitoring the sun. http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/ it would take months to glean any useful info from this site, it's not really for that, but it's interesting. it is well known that the sun is MUCH hotter of late.....

what i said was the REASON for global warming is a hoax.

those who own and run things(royals) don't see you as being on the same evolutionary level as them. their reasons for doing things don't have to make sense to you, just like your flock of sheep don't need to understand why you do what you do to them.

the main thing is, there will need to be a good reason that everyone can understand when the mass killings "needed" to balance the environment begin. don't believe such a plan exists? check the un's "agenda 21", an environmental policy which looks benign on the surface and professors saying things like this: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=49555
http://www.atsnn.com/story/201692.html
http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_200 ... index.html

[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2006-04-29 16:40 ]

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:01 pm

On 2006-04-29 16:34, garyb wrote:
i never claimed that the globe is not warming.

if you check the nasa figures on their sun watching program, you'll see that the sun's output is up by as much as 50% in the last 10 years.

Do you care providing a direct link that confirms that outlandish statement?

[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2006-04-29 17:02 ]

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:25 pm

"You put the aliens in the middle of this stuff and you got all the answers!"

Name that track =P

Post by **garyb** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:26 pm

On 2006-04-29 17:01, BingoTheClowno wrote:
On 2006-04-29 16:34, garyb wrote:
i never claimed that the globe is not warming.

if you check the nasa figures on their sun watching program, you'll see that the sun's output is up by as much as 50% in the last 10 years.
Do you care providing a direct link that confirms that outlandish statement?

[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2006-04-29 17:02 ]

sure, surface temperatures are up about the same as earth's atmosphere (.2 degrees celsius), but that's not the only factor in the amout of heat radiation from the sun. the corona is MUCH hotter.

here's one of the most conservative reports:
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040718 ... -6334r.htm

here's something more sensational, but still extremely conservative:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... wstop.html they tell you that although surface temperatures on the sun(the coronal temps are much higher and rising much further) have risen about the same as the earth's atmosphere, they want to tell you that it's from using gasoline etc.

the detailed info is difficult to get. basically, coronal activity is exceptionally high at the moment. the corona is 100 times hotter than the surface: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 083929.htm and: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/19 ... 071300.htm this is causing extra radiation. it is a secret spoken of only in technical documents. anyway, the sun very likely is a giant hollow iron ball which glows red/white hot. it's temperature is not constant, but is in a constant state of flux. although there are light, gaseous elements in the core and corona, it is not the gas ball we have been told. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 080229.htm http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/07/23/sun.iron/ http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/

hey, get mad at me or call me an idiot or a liar if you want. it won't change the truth. my grandfather was a high level scientist for a major military contractor and i can tell you, things are not always what they seem or what the orthodoxy tells you(see flat earth). soho has shown some very shocking pictures, which we're not ready to talk about in a music forum, even in off-topic....suffice to say that things are not as we were told even 10 years ago in school.

most likely, it'd be easier to call me a bad name than to investigate all these links from today. i'll bet no one's has even read about the professor calling for airborne ebola to kill most all humans NOW, and if you have, you've dismissed it. but this professor got an award and a standing ovation, so in the scientific community he is seen as a hero. what makes you think all scientists work for the good and they don't lie?...

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ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:19 pm

On 2006-04-29 19:26, garyb wrote:

...it is not the gas ball we have been told. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 080229.htm

Interesting, I start to believe nothing.
I start to don´t trust anybody.
Should I believe in informations that I gather from search engines?
Can I trust a scientist site that uses a syndication of a search engine to spread adds and pops up a window to download winfixer?
Don´t click:
http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pa ... 2658759074

I only believe that the internet is a good way to control and steer the infantry.

Sorry to be off topic.

arela · Post by **arela** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:33 pm

Let's rent a rocket and move to PlanetZ

Post by **garyb** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:44 pm

On 2006-04-30 00:19, ChrisWerner wrote:
I only believe that the internet is a good way to control and steer the infantry.

Sorry to be off topic.

this is the most intelligent thing said about the subject. my point exactly. lies and damned lies. do you think television or the newspapers are better or more reliable? who owns such media? who owns the internet mechanism?

we began speaking about oil prices being a political sham. that is not a difficult stretch.

p.s. THIS is how research is done. the shaky site you mentioned http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 080229.htm has a link to the university paper that the article written refers to at the top of the page. this is strictly academic and involves no popups(which i never see anyway, i have popup and spyware blocking). the link leads here: http://chem.umr.edu/files/pr1-9-02omanuel.html and then from there to the actual symposium documents which must be requested(to avoid contamination of the great unwashed) here: http://web.umr.edu/~oess/

the only point of showing this is just to show that things are not so, just because an "expert" or "authority" says so. these people are often wrong, misguided or out and out deceptive and these theories change all the time, even while the old model is still taught to the public.

what is that shakesperian line? "there is more to heaven and earth horatio, than...."

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ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:00 am

Maybe we should port this discussion to somewhere else? Not that PlanetZ gets in danger?

Post by **garyb** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:03 am

eehhh, whatever.
no one cares what i say. it makes no difference. i'm not special, nor have i said anything new.

it's just off topic talk.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:51 am

insane!

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/bestofsoho/Movies/

insane!!!

in cre de fuxn mingboggling able!

oh yeah, global warming. peak oil. baby seals. tarrorism. mbflbmxczncvcb

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:14 am

I'd rather Gary kept talking to be honest

I'd say there's less danger for the forum in this discussion, than there is if we posted daily cartoons of muslim leaders.

Anyway, we do care & are listening (well reading) I'm off to find out why they want to kill their slaves/flocks. Doesn't make sense to me right now, as I'd have thought we were only being kept as food as piece offerings for aliens, but I could be misled on that

I can imagine certain areas & countries being 'cleansed' (wiped out) by our masters at work. They've had the ability to do that since hiroshima & nagasaki.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:43 am

On 2006-04-29 17:25, symbiote wrote:
"You put the aliens in the middle of this stuff and you got all the answers!"

Name that track =P

Eat Static sampled that phrase on their 'abduction' album. Don't know what the original source is though