Cubase doesn't load CW plugins

Eisenhertz · Post by **Eisenhertz** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:02 am

Hi there,
im a creamware-noob and i bought a used luna 2 withoug any knowledge about dsp's and so on. I just thought that a little dsp-help with 3dsp's should be enough for some time. So please don't flame me for having no knowledge. Been reading and searching through the forum, but 130.000 messages are a little too much for me to dig through.

My first problem is, that cubase is not loading any creamware plugin. Also my routing window shows no sts-sampler or Modular synth.
When i installed the card i only installed scope 4.0.
Do i have to install 3.1 first and then 4.0 or what?
Here's what i own: VolksZämpler, Scope 3.1 and 4.0, Main Studio package, Optimaster, luna and luna3. Maybe you can help me..

2. Also when i use 96khz and the standard mixer my 3dsp's use about 70%! I can not load anything else then because dsp-limit is reached. When i switch back to 48Khz usage is at 35% and i can load one plugin. i thought i could load at least two plugins and a mixer at 96Khz, but it doesn't seem so and right now it sucks. Is there any mixer with lower dsp usage?

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samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:01 am

96kHz is DSP hungry and 3DSPs aren't much but still fair regarding the card's price

I used to have just Luna and I could load a mixer and even one (or 2) synths - all in 44.1kHz.

You don't need to install the 3.1 software at all. Installing just Scope 4 is enough.

I'm on Mac so I don't know if Luna supports XTC mode - there is nothing like this for Maccers (I mean Scope plugins working as they were plain VST plugins).

You didn't mention which mixer you tried. Try the STM1632 - I don't remember if the DynamicMixer has got insert slots, but the 1632 is ok and not that (DSP) demanding.

The MicroMixer is also very good but you should use all the plugins standalone. This is the best way to achieve low DSP load. Also try to search the DEVICES section of our forum for mixers. There is at least one which is simple but effective - made by SpaceF (MehdiT).

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Eisenhertz · Post by **Eisenhertz** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:44 pm

Woooh, thx to both of you.

i think 35% dsp usage is still much for a simple 1632 mixer without eq's. I'll try the other mixers you recommended today. i'll let you know.

I really have no clue how to activate the xtc mode, so i didn't, but i'll try the link. thx for that! i just read that xtc is slower then scope.

Does anyone have a link where the routing from and to cubase SL/SX is described? Right now i send the asio l/r to the mixer and to analog out, but how can i record cubase and its optimaster output the best and easiest way? Do i have to route it back to an asio port or to wav destination, so i can record the audio destination.

I wonder if i could save dsp power without a mixer...

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djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:52 pm

for recording in cubase you must use the asio destination.

Herr Voigt · Post by **Herr Voigt** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:01 pm

Try to mute all mixer channels you don't use - that should save a little bit DSP.
The older DynamicMixer seems to use less DSP and has 2 insert slots per channel, but no possibility to route send effects.

Cheers, Thomas

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:46 pm

How would anybody flame you because you have just started? No way, that would be the most stupid thing ever in this forum, fell totally comfortable to ask questions, no need to say “don’t flame me”, nobody will

I would strongly recommend you to start by reading your PDF manuals, all which is related to your card. This will give you a basic understanding so you can understand at your tour, what people will answer you; otherwise it will be anyway difficult.

If you are not under pressure with a project, I would also recommend going through several topics like: how to setup your system properly in XP, etc., I would also go through tricks and tips, this may avoid several headaches for you.

Once you have got the main ideas about connectivity, devices, and the concept itself is clearer for you, I can assure you that you will immediately start making music, and then in the run you’ll find the answers you have left for other special uses you want to perform with your card.

Eisenhertz · Post by **Eisenhertz** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:01 pm

Thanks and sorry, im not a complete noob with music, its just creamware. Most of it i understand, routing itself should be no problem as i already learned basic concepts of routing in reason already, even its not comparable im used to it.
Only bad thing after all is, that i have to live-record my reason stuff when i use the optimaster. It's like working the old way with hardware to me, but you get a lot for a few bucks.

This is by far a nice community with warm welcome, most other forums use to flame their noobs because they are noobs or don't use the search funktcion. i know how to use forums and i know how to use the "serge" functions. I only ask for help if i really find no fitting answer to my problem(s).
I think several questions like "where's my dog?" or "what time is it?" will follow...

Eisenhertz · Post by **Eisenhertz** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:08 pm

by the way: is it normal that scope changes my routings after rebooting? Everything looks like cleaned up. i only connected my out to wave out but now it's connected to sp/dif and other out's also. also two mono channels appear as on stereo channel. i didn't do that!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:51 am

on the Scope preferences panel there's an option to save the current project as

Startup project
Default project

and a checkbox to activate 'Startup' on Windows boot

if you click any of the options, Scope makes a copy of the current project and saves it as 'startup.pro' and/or 'default.pro'.
As the name suggests, Scope ALWAYS starts with 'startup'.
If you choose 'New Project' from the menu, then it loads 'default'.

cheers, Tom

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:12 am

USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION!!!!!!

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:15 am

and just to be clear: Scope plugins will not run or show up in Cubase unless you run Scope in XTC mode. Most people will advise against this though and recommend that you run in normal Scope mode and load the plugins in your Scope routing window for maximum flexibility.

arela · Post by **arela** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:30 am

Only bad thing after all is, that i have to live-record my reason stuff when i use the optimaster.

I use to record all Reason instruments, as its own wavefile, and mix in scope (with other stuff) and then record final mix.
Yes it takes time, but .... it's what i want

Eisenhertz · Post by **Eisenhertz** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:39 am

yeah if the samplers and synth would show up in my routing window i would try that too. Does Creamware provide a free recording device or do i have to route it into a recording programm?

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:13 pm

yeah if the samplers and synth would show up in my routing window i would try that too. Does Creamware provide a free recording device or do i have to route it into a recording programm?

Most people round here buss the host's ASIO outputs (which can be audio tracks, VST sampler's outs etc.) and CW synths through the CW mixer and just record the mixer's output back on their host's ASIO input (ie. Cubase), or just run all the synths etc. live from MIDI. Remember that you can take multiple outputs from a device in SCOPE, so you could route a synth to the mixer and to the ASIO input for recording if you needed to.

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Eisenhertz · Post by **Eisenhertz** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:45 pm

I followed stardust's link, but:

The vst-plug-ins still don't load, even refreshing or resetting the list doesn't help.

Why do i have to merge an ouput and then loop it back to its input?

I can't see any synth or sampler in the routing windows either.

right now its frustrating, i can't use any sampler or synth in xtc nor scope mode.

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Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:21 am

If you stick to SCOPE mode for a bit, do you have a menu bar at the top with headings like Effects, Samplers, Synths etc? You should be able to just drag and drop a synth or sampler from the respective drop-down that appears. If you've managed to drag mixers and stuff into SCOPE i can't see why you can't drag a synth into a project.

Maybe you need a full reinstall. Perhaps you could post your SCOPE project in the Projects section of Planet Z for us to look at.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:15 am

scope is virtual reality. the scope routing window is the "room" your studio is in. all the connections in the computer's world are there, as in the hardware world. cubase is a virtual multitrack midi and audio recorder, like a fancy vs880. the sequencer midi source and destination modules are the multitrack's midi ports and the asio source and dest modules are it's audio jacks, very simple. now, all connections are made in EXACTLY the same fashion as in the real world. if you know how to hook up a real mixer, synth and recorder, things should get easier from here......

rtfm

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Eisenhertz · Post by **Eisenhertz** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:19 am

thats what im talking about, in these menus is nothing listed, no synth's and no samplers. There are menu's for mixer's, midi, hardware i/o's, plugins, software i/o's and tools. but in menu sampler was nothing until i test-copied the volkszämpler into the sampler folder. I can't even see 3rd party plugs from this board, but no Scope 4.0 modular or sts-samplers. i hope you understand my problem.

i can see the xtc-vst's in cubase, but cubase won't load them. I really don't know why. Is there a switch i forgott?

@garyb: please don't get me wrong, but i own reason also and im working for years with music software. I know how to rewire as long as i know what a cable is refering to. i know at least a little bit, and thats what i said before, just to give you all a hint, that im not a overnoob. im just a noob to creamware's way of handling things. XTC is reason why i bought this package. XTC is supossed to be working with a vst-sequencer host, but right now the vst-plugins don't load. Also i have a manual, at least a online version of it, as i bought my card used. As a manual give's me answers very quick in relation to forum's where i have to wait for answers or dig through posts with no sense or less sense. All i do is i try to learn from a manual first and then aks questions on a forum like this one so i can gain KNOWLEGDE!

thank you.

P.s.: by the way my, native language is not english, so there might be a slight possibility that i spell or explain something wrong.

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Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:31 am

OK, first off Volksampler is for XTC so get it out of the Sampler folder.

i suggest a complete re-install as you seem to be missing stuff. If you want to avoid this then you can do the following:

Create a folder called 'Sampler' and another called 'Synth' (i think you already did this) in Scope>Devices.

Your install download or CD should contain files for ALL devices whether you own them or not. These have the suffix .oxe

Create a folder called "Oxe" in Scope>App if it isn't already there. Copy one of the .oxe files (say STS3000.oxe) into the Oxe folder.

When you restart SCOPE, assuming you have the right keys you should get a message saying "Successfully Installed". You'll have to restart SCOPE again to actually use it i think. If the STS doesn't install itself in the Sampler folder then just manually drag it from the Oxe folder. There may also be some DSP files here too, you may need to drag them into Scope>App>Dsp, but they should already be there.

However all this should install when you first install the software, so starting from a clean slate might be the better option.

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H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:53 am

Oy !!! Before you start up cubase, you enable the xtc mode and you EXIT THE SCOPE PLATFORM and then.START CUBASE if in doubt go into cubase and put your scope folder as a vst plugins folder.The scope Platform and xtc mode cannot both run at once.
p.s.
and running the scope mixer in xtc mode...you can't.

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