Help me please
I've had pulsar some time now and never experienced any problems, but i've bought a new studio computer recently and instantly started getting pci overflow messages, well as i searched this forum and tried almost everything... one proble is that i couldn't manage to install system in standard pc mode (i've tried but i started always getting bsod's after 1st boot during the installation) i think that it is because my system is based on dual opteron ... or does it not matter? anyway what i understood from all the discussions regards this problem the main problem is when pulsar shares same irq with any other card or port or whatever, finally i've managed to set my pulsar's irq at 17 which is not shared with anything but i'm still receiving these messages
My device Manager (resources by connection) shows this:
(isa) 0 amd8111 high precision event timer
(isa) 1 Keyboard
(isa) 3 com2
(isa) 4 com1
(isa) 6 Floppy
(isa) 8 amd8111 high precision timer controller
(isa) 9 Microsoft acpi compliant system
(isa) 9 scsi/raid Host Controller
(isa)12 Mouse
(isa)13 Numeric Data Processor
(isa)14 Primary AMD IDE Channel
(isa)15 Secondary AMD IDE Channel
(PCI)16 NVidia GeForce 6800 GT
(PCI)17 Creamware Pulsar2
(PCI)19 802.11g Wireless PCI Card
(PCI)19 Silicon Image Sil 3114 SATALink Controller
(PCI)19 Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
(PCI)19 Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
My motherboard is Tyan Tiger K8W (AMD 8000 Chipset)
I really don't know what to do now... but if i will not solve his problem i have to sell the pulsar, because i cannot work like this:( and i REALLY don't want to:(
Can anybody help me PLEASE?
my irq settings are ok but still getting pci overflow msg
the tyan k8w is supoposed to have an amd chipset, isn't it? that should be good...anyway, that is NOT an audio pc, it's a gamer motherboard. when it was designed, it wasn't made for pci audio cards(well. motherboards never really are, anyway...). i would still expect it to work. the fact that you got blue screens indicates a hardware issue(memory/motherboard/video card).
pci overflow wouldn't really be an irq issue, it COULD be a wireless pci card issue(stealing bandwidth), or a setup issue. is dma really enabled for the harddrives?. it could also be a faulty mainboard.
pci overflow wouldn't really be an irq issue, it COULD be a wireless pci card issue(stealing bandwidth), or a setup issue. is dma really enabled for the harddrives?. it could also be a faulty mainboard.
Its the chipset imo. The old AMD MP & MPX (dual Athlon MP) chipsets also had this issue and you had to go to great lengths to get things to work "somewhat". The original AMD single cpu chipsets were based on the same basic design and had no problems, so being from AMD is no guarantee.
What you can do is purchase a different card from RME etc. that has ADAT i/o, put it in the new pc and stick your Creamware cards in the old pc. Wire everything up with MIDI & ADAT etc and you should be good to go. I did this over a year ago & haven't looked back.
What you can do is purchase a different card from RME etc. that has ADAT i/o, put it in the new pc and stick your Creamware cards in the old pc. Wire everything up with MIDI & ADAT etc and you should be good to go. I did this over a year ago & haven't looked back.
thank you guys for your comments:)
well that bsod has happened only twice and that was during the win installation, never again - actually i hadn't any other problems at all apart from those with pulsar:( so i wouldn't think it is faulty mobo, i just think that the standard pc doesnt support two processors, anyway this shouldnt be problem as i managed pulsar to have a irq on its own...
i tried to disable the wifi card and it is still doing the same, but i must say that since i put pulsar on irq 17 i can work with it. The only moment i get the pci message is when i want to load more than 5 reverbs, or when i want load into my sequencer large presets from sample libraries as trilogy, atmosphere or elektrik piano (these hapenned recently). After they load i can work with them without any problems - it happens just when transfering large data into memory.
The solution with cheap pc is then maybe only one when i like to keep the pulsar working:(
or (i know i'm repeating myself) does exist any motherboard for dual opterons which is tested and working allright at all? If i can find something working it would be the best thing i can do... i don't insist on this motherboard as i've bought it because i thought it should be allright (my fault i didnt asked before) and i had the budget i've had... i have looked at this forum but found nothing:(
well that bsod has happened only twice and that was during the win installation, never again - actually i hadn't any other problems at all apart from those with pulsar:( so i wouldn't think it is faulty mobo, i just think that the standard pc doesnt support two processors, anyway this shouldnt be problem as i managed pulsar to have a irq on its own...
i tried to disable the wifi card and it is still doing the same, but i must say that since i put pulsar on irq 17 i can work with it. The only moment i get the pci message is when i want to load more than 5 reverbs, or when i want load into my sequencer large presets from sample libraries as trilogy, atmosphere or elektrik piano (these hapenned recently). After they load i can work with them without any problems - it happens just when transfering large data into memory.
The solution with cheap pc is then maybe only one when i like to keep the pulsar working:(
or (i know i'm repeating myself) does exist any motherboard for dual opterons which is tested and working allright at all? If i can find something working it would be the best thing i can do... i don't insist on this motherboard as i've bought it because i thought it should be allright (my fault i didnt asked before) and i had the budget i've had... i have looked at this forum but found nothing:(
one more think...
i can work with it but always when i get the pci message card sends a really BIG crack into my monitors which is thing that concerns me most, as i'm afraid that once it can cause blowing them off...
i can turn them off on my mixer when loading samples (which is quite annoying but i can live with that) but when i work it still sometimes shows the pci message without any warnings, altough not so often as it used to do.
i can work with it but always when i get the pci message card sends a really BIG crack into my monitors which is thing that concerns me most, as i'm afraid that once it can cause blowing them off...
i can turn them off on my mixer when loading samples (which is quite annoying but i can live with that) but when i work it still sometimes shows the pci message without any warnings, altough not so often as it used to do.
you might be able to control the situation if you're able to anticipate the overflow.
Usually there is a relation to reverbs and delays, as a simple Delay FX, Masterverb, Masterverb Pro, STW Plate/Ambience represents increasing PCI load.
Have you ever done the 'Masterverb test' ?
It means to make a simple project with just a (simple) mixer and load one MV after the other until that message shows up.
The 'official' version of this (completely unscientific) test counts the unconnected MVs, but I'd rather prefer their output connected to the mixer.
The difference is small, but imho it's a better representation of real world use.
If you're able to load more than 12 MVs (regular, NOT pro) then your errors are strange indeed, given your regular project doesn't contain something like 10 MVs as a basic setup.
Less than 9 is pretty bad, 15 and up would be excellent.
You have a Pulsar 2 with an improved IO interface - in my case (2 Pulsar Ones), I can have 5 Masterverbs at best, but only on a VERY GOOD chipset.
If you made the test, then you might repeat it (in case you have MV Pro or one of the STW reverbs by Warp69) and start with one of the 'bigger' devices.
Then load as much MVs until the PCI error shows up. Your MV count will have decreased and you'll know the 'weight' of the device in MV units.
This gives you a good estimation how much load your system can take.
cheers, Tom
Usually there is a relation to reverbs and delays, as a simple Delay FX, Masterverb, Masterverb Pro, STW Plate/Ambience represents increasing PCI load.
Have you ever done the 'Masterverb test' ?
It means to make a simple project with just a (simple) mixer and load one MV after the other until that message shows up.
The 'official' version of this (completely unscientific) test counts the unconnected MVs, but I'd rather prefer their output connected to the mixer.
The difference is small, but imho it's a better representation of real world use.
If you're able to load more than 12 MVs (regular, NOT pro) then your errors are strange indeed, given your regular project doesn't contain something like 10 MVs as a basic setup.
Less than 9 is pretty bad, 15 and up would be excellent.
You have a Pulsar 2 with an improved IO interface - in my case (2 Pulsar Ones), I can have 5 Masterverbs at best, but only on a VERY GOOD chipset.
If you made the test, then you might repeat it (in case you have MV Pro or one of the STW reverbs by Warp69) and start with one of the 'bigger' devices.
Then load as much MVs until the PCI error shows up. Your MV count will have decreased and you'll know the 'weight' of the device in MV units.
This gives you a good estimation how much load your system can take.
cheers, Tom
well i was wrong even when it is on irq on its own still repeating to show those msgs... even when only playing the project. strange is that if i do not use ANY of scope modules (not even a mixer - just route output of the sequencer to the monitors) i still get the messages... even during normal playback...
so i think it IS mobo issue... then it will not run on this motherboard:(
so i think it IS mobo issue... then it will not run on this motherboard:(
doesn't help much, but a similiar thing happened to me years ago when I aquired a VIA KT133 based board - PCI overflow on an almost empty default project.
cheers, Tom
ps: oops for all interupt s I overlooked your 'after 5 reverbs...' statement (I assume these are Masterverbs as the most common...)
that's definetly not OK
as frequently mentioned I'm much happier with Pulsar on it's own box - I even 'invested' in the best P3 mobo available (ASUS Tusl2-c) which came with memory, Celeron 1.2 and ATI graphics for less than $100.
Couldn't resist and ordered a Tualatin 1.2 and 133/CL2 memory because it's such a nice box. With a big cooler it needs almost no fan, so the annoyance factor is low.
I don't connect it to the internet and have no software but licensed audio apps on it.
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cheers, Tom
ps: oops for all interupt s I overlooked your 'after 5 reverbs...' statement (I assume these are Masterverbs as the most common...)
that's definetly not OK
as frequently mentioned I'm much happier with Pulsar on it's own box - I even 'invested' in the best P3 mobo available (ASUS Tusl2-c) which came with memory, Celeron 1.2 and ATI graphics for less than $100.
Couldn't resist and ordered a Tualatin 1.2 and 133/CL2 memory because it's such a nice box. With a big cooler it needs almost no fan, so the annoyance factor is low.
I don't connect it to the internet and have no software but licensed audio apps on it.
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your board is likely defective. blue screens during windows install is a very bad sign, even only a couple of times.
*disclaimer*i'm not there with your computer to rule out another bit of bad hardware, like your graph card, or the software configuration(dma/setup, etc.). i can only go by the slim info in your thread to makes a guess, but you definitely have a problem that seems more extreme than chipset incompatibility. i've had cards work reasonably well in setups that looked much worse(hardwarewise) than what you have....
*disclaimer*i'm not there with your computer to rule out another bit of bad hardware, like your graph card, or the software configuration(dma/setup, etc.). i can only go by the slim info in your thread to makes a guess, but you definitely have a problem that seems more extreme than chipset incompatibility. i've had cards work reasonably well in setups that looked much worse(hardwarewise) than what you have....
garyb:
i will repeat myself again but
as i went to microsoft website i found this:
HAL Description
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ACPI MultiProc Use for a multiple-processor ACPI computer
ACPI UniProc Use for a ACPI multiple-processor board but with a
single processor installed
Advanced Use for a single processor motherboard with single
Configuration processor ACPI computer
Power Interface PC
Compaq Systempro Use for a Compaq Systempro computer
MPS Uniprocessor PC Use on non-ACPI computers dual processor motherboard
with a single processor installed
MPS Multiproc PC Non-ACPI computers with a dual processor running
Standard PC Any Standard PC, non-ACPI, or non-MPS. Could be a 386,
486, Pentium, Pentium II, or Pentium III
Standard PC
with C-Step i486
those bsods appeared only when i tried to push windows to install in standard pc mode... when i've just disabled acpi in bios and let them choose mode themselves they've chosen that mps multiproc pc. installation went allright but when i've looked at irqs there were numbers like 321 (i dunno exactrly as i'm running system back in acpi mode but they were more or less like this). Anyway by all this as i understand that the standard pc mode simply doesn't support multi cpu setups. So there's no reason to believe that my mobo is faulty. if you say you saw people with more troubled setups running pulsars well i simply don't know where the error is, as i know that the pulsar is allright as well ... i just think that they 're simply incompatible... just please don't scare me with faulty mobo:)
i will repeat myself again but
as i went to microsoft website i found this:
HAL Description
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ACPI MultiProc Use for a multiple-processor ACPI computer
ACPI UniProc Use for a ACPI multiple-processor board but with a
single processor installed
Advanced Use for a single processor motherboard with single
Configuration processor ACPI computer
Power Interface PC
Compaq Systempro Use for a Compaq Systempro computer
MPS Uniprocessor PC Use on non-ACPI computers dual processor motherboard
with a single processor installed
MPS Multiproc PC Non-ACPI computers with a dual processor running
Standard PC Any Standard PC, non-ACPI, or non-MPS. Could be a 386,
486, Pentium, Pentium II, or Pentium III
Standard PC
with C-Step i486
those bsods appeared only when i tried to push windows to install in standard pc mode... when i've just disabled acpi in bios and let them choose mode themselves they've chosen that mps multiproc pc. installation went allright but when i've looked at irqs there were numbers like 321 (i dunno exactrly as i'm running system back in acpi mode but they were more or less like this). Anyway by all this as i understand that the standard pc mode simply doesn't support multi cpu setups. So there's no reason to believe that my mobo is faulty. if you say you saw people with more troubled setups running pulsars well i simply don't know where the error is, as i know that the pulsar is allright as well ... i just think that they 're simply incompatible... just please don't scare me with faulty mobo:)
Standard PC with C-Step i486
No info
Standard PC
Applies to any Standard PC, non-ACPI, or non-MPS. The CPU may be a 386, a 486, a Pentium, a Pentium II, or a Pentium III.
Try to put pulsar in the slot PCI 2 or 3,
usually they are not condivise with others device
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No info
Standard PC
Applies to any Standard PC, non-ACPI, or non-MPS. The CPU may be a 386, a 486, a Pentium, a Pentium II, or a Pentium III.
Try to put pulsar in the slot PCI 2 or 3,
usually they are not condivise with others device
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junkett, not trying to scare you... 
Standard PC is wrong for a dual or higher anyway, you want MPS Multiprocessor PC or whatever, rather than ACPI MUltiprocessor.
The only other thing I can suggest would be to use a utility to check the PCI latency of different devices and turn down things that are not the scope card.
Really if you MUST keep this motherboard you're going to be best off using your scope cards in a separate PC imo. Even though my dual XEON box proved to be stable after Scope 3.1c, I still have found I prefer to use my cards in another box. I use my cards for synthesis and effects chains and mix in an analog mixer though, if you're heavy into mixing in SCOPE you may not prefer the 2nd pc as much as I do.
The only other thing I can suggest would be to use a utility to check the PCI latency of different devices and turn down things that are not the scope card.
Really if you MUST keep this motherboard you're going to be best off using your scope cards in a separate PC imo. Even though my dual XEON box proved to be stable after Scope 3.1c, I still have found I prefer to use my cards in another box. I use my cards for synthesis and effects chains and mix in an analog mixer though, if you're heavy into mixing in SCOPE you may not prefer the 2nd pc as much as I do.
well thanks to everybody... it seems that all was my stupidity, because as i removed the routing in my default project the card started working again... well i hadn't got any problems yet. even those problems with loading large samples diappeared... well... always learning, but again thanks very much everyone:)