Hi there,
the time has come to build my home page.
I want to use some java script applets, for navigation, animations and other important thingies.
My question is easy, do you have java script enabled in your browser?
I am a bit frighten to use java script for the rudimental thingies in a homepage.
No java script enabled, no navigation, a dead site.
Thanks.
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Nearly a poll -java script enabled yes or no
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Hi Chris.
I'm definately no expert, but I do know that these days web coders are moving away from using Java scripts whenever possible. It's a move towards clean faster code & to streamline the cross-browser compatability of web pages to include even portable handheld device browsing.
The best advice I can possibly give you is to avoid using the Java scripts unless you really have to. I mean why would you need Java for navigation? Just to make things fancy? Fancy can be done in XHTML+CSS with the inclusion of nice graphics etc (even animated gifs). Animation can be a different kettle of fish, depending on what you're after, but all of the normal graphic animations such as rollover & click states etc again can be done in XHTML+CSS (or HTML+CSS if you're not bothered about cross-browser compatability)
You can get all the info you will ever need on XHTML & CSS at <a href="http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/</a>
Note Chris, that's not W3C's homepage. Their home page is <a href="http://www.w3.org/">http://www.w3.org/</a>
Use their XHTML & CSS validators & their tutorials are excellent should you need them
We have Java installed & enabled Chris, but only to check out some online Java apps & only because this net machine is not connected to our important ones If it were, we possibly wouldn't use Java for security reasons !! (lots of malicious Java code flying around cyberspace)
I'm definately no expert, but I do know that these days web coders are moving away from using Java scripts whenever possible. It's a move towards clean faster code & to streamline the cross-browser compatability of web pages to include even portable handheld device browsing.
The best advice I can possibly give you is to avoid using the Java scripts unless you really have to. I mean why would you need Java for navigation? Just to make things fancy? Fancy can be done in XHTML+CSS with the inclusion of nice graphics etc (even animated gifs). Animation can be a different kettle of fish, depending on what you're after, but all of the normal graphic animations such as rollover & click states etc again can be done in XHTML+CSS (or HTML+CSS if you're not bothered about cross-browser compatability)
You can get all the info you will ever need on XHTML & CSS at <a href="http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/</a>
Note Chris, that's not W3C's homepage. Their home page is <a href="http://www.w3.org/">http://www.w3.org/</a>
Use their XHTML & CSS validators & their tutorials are excellent should you need them
We have Java installed & enabled Chris, but only to check out some online Java apps & only because this net machine is not connected to our important ones
If it were, we possibly wouldn't use Java for security reasons !! (lots of malicious Java code flying around cyberspace)
I can only second Shroomz' words - avoid it as far as possible.
Javascript is implementation-dependant, it's a non standardized mess, even more as the M$ version (JScript) is something different that fakes Javascript items, but is intended to set a different 'standard'.
If you use it for (more complex) visual work then be prepared to have about 9 versions of your page optimized for 3 browsers under 3 operating systems...
cheers, Tom
Javascript is implementation-dependant, it's a non standardized mess, even more as the M$ version (JScript) is something different that fakes Javascript items, but is intended to set a different 'standard'.
If you use it for (more complex) visual work then be prepared to have about 9 versions of your page optimized for 3 browsers under 3 operating systems...
cheers, Tom
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Thank you very much for your response and hints.
It´s very galling how good things like java are used to do bad things. I thought on using some of the anfy applets, anfy.com.
I know his stuff since years now and during that time my site grow in my head more and more.
But now another idea was destroyed by the guys that use java for their weird ideas in a criminal way.
Well, I´ll look at the xhtml, dhtml, css, etc. thing, but I won´t learn an additional language because I´ll finish my site within this year.
So I will try to get the best out of simple HTML, I guess.
It´s very galling how good things like java are used to do bad things. I thought on using some of the anfy applets, anfy.com.
I know his stuff since years now and during that time my site grow in my head more and more.
But now another idea was destroyed by the guys that use java for their weird ideas in a criminal way.
Well, I´ll look at the xhtml, dhtml, css, etc. thing, but I won´t learn an additional language because I´ll finish my site within this year.
So I will try to get the best out of simple HTML, I guess.
Chris, it's not just malicious code causing the move away from using Java. As astro says, it's not standardised & as such just isn't recommended for 'clean' web developement. The W3C standards are the ones to follow & will give you an end result which loads fast & looks as it should on almost every browser on the planet. Everyone's bandwidth improves, the net becomes faster & everyone's a winner except those still using, selling & promoting the use of Java & Flash for building websites, who can struggle away with their code, server bandwidth & incompatability with surfers' browsers till doomsday if they like
It's not so much 'don't do that', but more 'don't do that unnnecessarily' !!
As you said the last thing you want is people not being able or not *wanting* to view your site because they get prompted to download & install Java Runtime Enviroment or Flash.
It's not so much 'don't do that', but more 'don't do that unnnecessarily' !!
As you said the last thing you want is people not being able or not *wanting* to view your site because they get prompted to download & install Java Runtime Enviroment or Flash.
there is an important fact
Javascript is as close to Java as English to Chinese
the name is nothing but a try to jump the Java popularity train several years ago.
The languages have few to nothing in common and follow even more different implementation startegies
Java IS kind of standardized (what's that anyway in this business?), but requires certain runtime modules, which may need an update now and then
It's a virtual machine in a closed environment (supposed to be safe), and I guess Shroomz messed the safety concerns with Javascript.
There are sophisticated developement environments for distributed applications - it's probably not the ideal tool for a regular web page.
Javascript is implemented by each(!) browser manufacturer, specific for the machine and OS version. It's an interpreted language that executes native code (with certain restrictions) and I guess it's the malicious one if someone wants to mess your machine.
It can do some stunning tricks (I don't mean visual gimmicks) if a programmer drives it to the max - I once licensed a list processing tool which has a great functionality, but a completely unreadable source.
I was naive enough to expect I could avoid cross-platform and OS change problems by 'simply' using a web browser as database front end and control 'a little' user interaction by Javascript.
HA,HA,HA
cheers, tom
Javascript is as close to Java as English to Chinese
the name is nothing but a try to jump the Java popularity train several years ago.
The languages have few to nothing in common and follow even more different implementation startegies
Java IS kind of standardized (what's that anyway in this business?), but requires certain runtime modules, which may need an update now and then
It's a virtual machine in a closed environment (supposed to be safe), and I guess Shroomz messed the safety concerns with Javascript.
There are sophisticated developement environments for distributed applications - it's probably not the ideal tool for a regular web page.
Javascript is implemented by each(!) browser manufacturer, specific for the machine and OS version. It's an interpreted language that executes native code (with certain restrictions) and I guess it's the malicious one if someone wants to mess your machine.
It can do some stunning tricks (I don't mean visual gimmicks) if a programmer drives it to the max - I once licensed a list processing tool which has a great functionality, but a completely unreadable source.
I was naive enough to expect I could avoid cross-platform and OS change problems by 'simply' using a web browser as database front end and control 'a little' user interaction by Javascript.
HA,HA,HAcheers, tom
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Yes, I expected that java is not a standard or too detering maybe. The most important thing for a homepage is the information that comes with it, only. (How boring, or?)
It doesn´t matter much how it looks like, it must be clean, fast and viewable for everybody.
With the poll I want check the actual situation because I am out of this biz for some time now. But my expectation come true, sadly.
I´ve built some homepages in the past, guided with an animated character (Poser) that takes you by your hand and walk with you through the page, explaining you the content with voice and reads you the text on demand.
(streamed audio and flash).
I always tried to break up the usual presentation of a homepage with a real multimedia site and always something new or special.
Now, after some years I see a destroyed creativity. Anyway, I´ll do my best.
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It doesn´t matter much how it looks like, it must be clean, fast and viewable for everybody.
With the poll I want check the actual situation because I am out of this biz for some time now. But my expectation come true, sadly.
I´ve built some homepages in the past, guided with an animated character (Poser) that takes you by your hand and walk with you through the page, explaining you the content with voice and reads you the text on demand.
(streamed audio and flash).
I always tried to break up the usual presentation of a homepage with a real multimedia site and always something new or special.
Now, after some years I see a destroyed creativity. Anyway, I´ll do my best.
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Have a look at OpenLaszlo 3.1 just for fun...
http://www.laszlosystems.com/lps-3.1/laszlo-explorer/
This is just some show case of what it does, and it can do alot.
It's like macromedia flex, but free Free is nice always
It's a really cool dev environment for webapp, and it alleviate the need to support 40 differents browsers completely.
It can make stunning intecafe in no time at all, and it's going to be one of the next big thing in web development for the years to come.
In fact i'm using this alot lately at my day job to make banking applications accessible world-wide respecting extremely hard and constrained user-defined specs pretty easily (pricing tools for loans and exportation credits)
My bosses are all pretty much impressed with the quality level i can acheive with Openlaszlo in no time, and even a 'non-programmer' can use it with little efforts.
Like CW is the secret weapon for home studio, openlaszlo is the secret weapon for real & solid webapps dev.
Ok, i've said enough, have a look at it if you want
my .02 euro-cents
http://www.laszlosystems.com/lps-3.1/laszlo-explorer/
This is just some show case of what it does, and it can do alot.
It's like macromedia flex, but free
Free is nice always It's a really cool dev environment for webapp, and it alleviate the need to support 40 differents browsers completely.
It can make stunning intecafe in no time at all, and it's going to be one of the next big thing in web development for the years to come.
In fact i'm using this alot lately at my day job to make banking applications accessible world-wide respecting extremely hard and constrained user-defined specs pretty easily
(pricing tools for loans and exportation credits)My bosses are all pretty much impressed with the quality level i can acheive with Openlaszlo in no time, and even a 'non-programmer' can use it with little efforts.
Like CW is the secret weapon for home studio, openlaszlo is the secret weapon for real & solid webapps dev.
Ok, i've said enough, have a look at it if you want
my .02 euro-cents
I have a little Firefox plugin that warns about javascript on each site and asks if you want to enable or not. So far it's finding it on virtually *every* site I visit. I say "yes" to allow each site since they are all "reputable" sites, but it's making me think about the issue.
Even one little site I run I see now has some Javascript in it that I didn't even think about at the time. I'm thinking now I may delete that part of it...
Even one little site I run I see now has some Javascript in it that I didn't even think about at the time. I'm thinking now I may delete that part of it...
personally, i hate animation and java in web page.
i prefer simple things... fast and direct, expecially for commercial sites, where i want to find the information SOON and not to view endless animations or go through infinite drop menu to arrive at NOTHING!
with opera (latest version) i can have no access to certain sites (a little few i have to admit) which have some sort of script enabled (dont' ask me more!!!), and i have to switch to explorer (i HATE THIS!!!)
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i prefer simple things... fast and direct, expecially for commercial sites, where i want to find the information SOON and not to view endless animations or go through infinite drop menu to arrive at NOTHING!
with opera (latest version) i can have no access to certain sites (a little few i have to admit) which have some sort of script enabled (dont' ask me more!!!), and i have to switch to explorer (i HATE THIS!!!)
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