Ableton 5 & Scope XTC

Peter Cherry · Post by **Peter Cherry** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:31 am

Hi,
I am ,,old school Cubase user´´ for a long time, but some days ago I persuaded myself to experience strange looking software called Ableton Live 5

After a few days of testing I must say it is cool. Session and Arrangment concept provides the most of Cubase linear style with possibility of groove and live style making music.

In addition, the graphics & screen layout is for the first look strange and cheap, but for ral work is very efficient and effective (little bit ,,Pro Tools Style´´).

Of course I can use all effects and instruments as in Cubase.

Starting Initialization of Ableton is much more faster than Cubase

Only thing I did not find out is how to use XTC effects and instruments in XTC mode ?

Does anybody know and what is your opinion on Ableton ? (I must repeat that for a long time I was defender of Cubase against softwares like Reason, Fruity Loops, Cakewalk, Sonar etc)

Peter

Astral Fridge Magnet · Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:22 am

Hi,

I use Ableton (on my laptop) and it is a brilliant, fast, easy way to get on with music making. As far as using it with XTC I am no help. I can't even use XTC with Cubase or Logic.

petal · Post by **petal** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:25 am

Check out the forum - there are loads of threads concerning your questions.
To get you started:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... orum=32&11

Peter Cherry · Post by **Peter Cherry** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:03 am

Now I can load XTC devices in XTC mode into Ableton, but the sound is full of crackles. I tried trick with changing ULLI setting before loading device. But crackles are still.

Can you help me ???

XTC under Cubase worked ok and FYI I have Pulsar I.

petal · Post by **petal** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:51 am

Have you tried this?

from Gonzoft FAQ ;

7. XTC mode does not remember your ULLI settings unless you do the following:

Add the following entry into your /SFP/App/Bin/Cset.ini under item
[XTC-config]:

intBlkSize=x

whereby x is a values out of 64, 128, 256, 512 or 1024 and translates as follows to the card's latency:

64: latency = 3 ms
128: latency = 4 ms
256: latency = 7 ms
512: latency = 13 ms
1024: latency = 25 ms

A wrong latency will still be displayed in the ULLI Settings of the ASIO Control Panel, but you can ignore this.

It is a good idea to refresh the plugin info display after changing ULLI settings.

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And maybe it's a good idea to read this thread too - I believe it contains all the info and tricks you need to come up and running.

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 66&forum=3

Peter Cherry · Post by **Peter Cherry** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:26 am

Of course, I tried trick with intBlkSize. I use Cubase and it works ok, but not in Ableton, where sound from XTC devices is full of crackles...???

petal · Post by **petal** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:41 am

It's working fine here.

Which driver are you using - What does it say in "Audio Devices" in Options/preferences. It says "ASIO SCOPE" here, and the Driver Type is "ASIO".

Peter Cherry · Post by **Peter Cherry** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:00 am

I really use ASIO driver (nor MMX or Direct). Which XTCproject are you using ?

petal · Post by **petal** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:19 am

Just the standard one, which I have edited in order to be able to use the wave-drivers while running in XTC-mode, which means that I have added a module to the project, nothing else.

Peter Cherry · Post by **Peter Cherry** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:52 am

I am using slightly modified project also...but I tried to use different ASIO modules (16,24,32 bit) but still the same result...crackles in the sound....

((

petal · Post by **petal** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:33 am

XTC behaves in mysteries ways, which might be why CW don't support it any more.

The trick where you can make 3rd party-devices available in XTC-mode works here, but not all devices which has been proven to work on other systems.

I can only recommend that you try lots of different settings - I too had crackles in Live at first, but I made them dissappear. It's been a while since I made it work, but I believe the solution had something to do with how the ASIO-driver was loaded, or which setings it was loaded with - make sure that cset-file is configured correctly. I think thats the best advice I can give you.

Maybe if you post a sample of the crackles there might be a CW-ear that knows what is wrong?

Peter Cherry · Post by **Peter Cherry** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:24 am

I don´t really know

( this is my cset.ini

Runpep]
InScreen=1
Language=English

[FileBrowser]
All Files=0
STS-Samples=0
LastPath=s:/Samples/SF2/Bass/

[AudioFormats]
Wav=Wav

[Installer]
Version=3.0
App=SFP
OS=3.1
ProductID=3

[ReferenceResolver]
All files_Paths=C:/Scope/;
Modules/Devices_Paths=C:/Scope/Devices/;
Presets_Paths=C:/Scope/Presets/;
All files_AutoUse=1
Modules/Devices_AutoUse=1
Presets_AutoUse=1

[StaticPath]
Modules=
Modular=C:/Scope/Modular2 Modules/
Projects=C:/Scope/Projects/Examples/
Effects=C:/Scope/Devices/Effects/
Presets=C:/Scope/Presets/
HardwareIOs=C:/Scope/App/Application/IOs/Hardware/
SoftwareIOs=C:/Scope/App/Application/IOs/Software/
Bitmaps=C:/Scope/MRC Skins/
Devices=C:/Scope/Devices/
Samples=C:/Scope/Samples/

[Path]
Bitmaps=C:/Scope/MRC Skins/
Projects=C:ScopeAppXTCApp

[APPEARANCE]
ToolTips=1
GridY=5
GridX=5
DragWindows=1
StandardCursor=1

[LOAD]
AlignSurfaces=1
LoadMixer=STM 1632.dev
LoadMixerEnabled=1
LoadDefBoard=0

[AUTOCONNECT]
InstrumentToMixer=1
EffectToMixer=1
AudioSrcToMixer=1
DeviceToMidiSrc=2

[SFP]
Favourites_Minimized=1
Favourites_Size=187
FileBrowser_Minimized=0
FileBrowser_Size=564
Dsp Load_SizeY=106
Dsp Load_SizeX=194
Top_Minimized=0
Top_Size=419
About_Show=0
About_PosX=254
About_PosY=14
ControlRanger_Show=0
ControlRanger_PosX=412
ControlRanger_PosY=291
ControlRanger_TopLevel=2000
SFPBar_PosX=782
SFPBar_PosY=2
SFPBar_SizeX=238
SFPBar_SizeY=518
SFPBar_TopLevel=100000
SFPBar_RestoredSizeY=518
Bottom_Size=88
Bottom_Minimized=0
DSPLoad_Load=0
Dsp Load_Show=0
Dsp Load_PosX=470
Dsp Load_PosY=397
Dsp Load_TopLevel=2000
Registry_Load=0
ModuleRegistry_Show=0
ModuleRegistry_PosX=361
ModuleRegistry_PosY=357
ModuleRegistry_TopLevel=2000
Options_Load=0
Options_Show=0
Options_PosX=359
Options_PosY=376
Options_TopLevel=2000
Resolver_Load=0
ReferenceResolveOptions_Show=0
ReferenceResolveOptions_PosX=302
ReferenceResolveOptions_PosY=104
ReferenceResolveOptions_SizeX=332
ReferenceResolveOptions_SizeY=250
SFPRouting_Show=1
SFPRouting_PosX=-6
SFPRouting_PosY=-3
SFPRouting_SizeX=789
SFPRouting_SizeY=595
SFPRouting_TopLevel=0
FileBrowser_Show=0
FileBrowser_PosX=236
FileBrowser_PosY=0
FileBrowser_SizeX=238
FileBrowser_SizeY=518
FileBrowser_TopLevel=1
Splitter_Size=0
Splitter_Minimized=1
SFPDesktop_PosX=0
SFPDesktop_PosY=0
SFPDesktop_SizeX=1055
SFPDesktop_SizeY=548
SFPDesktop_Maximize=0
PulsarConfigSurface_Show=0
PulsarConfigSurface_PosX=377
PulsarConfigSurface_PosY=451
PulsarConfigSurface_TopLevel=2000

[SEQPATH]
Path2=C:/Program Files/Cubase Plugins
Path1=C:/Program Files/Cubase Plugins

[ASIO]
XTCMode=1
application=C:/Scope/App/XTCApp/XTC.pro
Pluginwrapper1=C:/Scope/App/XTCApp/vstsynthplugin.mdl
Pluginwrapper2=C:/Scope/App/XTCApp/vstplugin.mdl
Pluginwrapper3=C:/Scope/App/XTCApp/vstplugin.mdl
Pluginwrapper4=C:/Scope/App/XTCApp/vsthostplugin.mdl

[XTC-Config]
AddHost=1

[Host]
Scoperev=128

[Host-Config]
Numboards=1
Board0=Host

[hw]
intBlkSize=512

[FILELIST]
Akai-Samples=0
Wave=0

[Scope]
PulsarConfigSurfaceShow=0
PulsarConfigSurfaceY=360
PulsarConfigSurfaceX=511

[RecentFileList]
Entry5=
Entry4=
Entry3=
Entry2=D:/000000/XTCProject.pro
Entry1=c:/scope/app/SFPApp/StartProject.pro
Entry0=C:/Scope/App/XTCApp/XTCProject.pro

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petal · Post by **petal** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:51 pm

Hmm, mine are a bit different:

Try this:

[XTC-Config]
AddHost=1
intBlkSize=128

[hw]
intBlkSize=128

Hope it helps!

Peter Cherry · Post by **Peter Cherry** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:20 pm

I tried to add one more intblocksize but i had to leave 512 because I have Pulsar I and its minimum latency is 13ms (512).

But still crackles...

((

And also no midi signal from my keyboard in XTC mode (in Cubase everything ok)....

petal · Post by **petal** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:53 am

I'm sorry to say this, but I think the only thing I con think of that I would try now, would be a complete reinstallation of windows, live and Scope following all the tricks and advice from this forum.
But there's still the chance that Live and Pulsar 1 is not working together in XTC-mode.
Has any Pulsar 1 user's XTC up and running in live?