Effects doesn't work in xtc mode?

Rockmusikeren · Post by **Rockmusikeren** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:36 pm

Hi I have this strange problem, when loading effects in SX XTC mode the sound is terible distorded, if I use VST effects everything is normal. Is it not parsible to use scope effect in SX in XTC mode?
SX loads okay, no error messages...

I'm a newbee to scope so please bare with me..

petal · Post by **petal** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:54 pm

Try to elaborate a bit more about what you are actually doing.
It sounds to me that you are exporting a track offline, which is why you have a problem. The Scopesystem works only in realtime. Try to export your track after chosing the real-time option, and I believe your problem will be gone

Rockmusikeren · Post by **Rockmusikeren** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:29 pm

Thanks for you reply..
I know they only work in realtime, that is what i'm trying to get them to do..

Here's what I do: First i start op SX, then I Make 16 audio tracks to begin with, I plug my guitar in the mixer nad have a nice clean tone without any effects at all, then i want to add some reverb as a send effectI load it and it sounds terible, then i try the reverb that comes with SX and it sounds fine, but I realy would like to use some of the creamware effects too.. Btw, tryed out other xtc effects, they all sounds terible distorted....

Rockmusikeren · Post by **Rockmusikeren** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:44 pm

BTW.. I tryed out the synth in xtc mode and they play fine, no distortion..
My setup is:
Behringer DDX3216
Pulsar I
Pulsar II
PC, Pentium 4, 3.0 GHZ
Aopen motherboard with intel chipset
Matrox G450 dual screen
Roland U-20 as midi keyboard

petal · Post by **petal** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:57 pm

That sounds strange. Don't really have a clue about whats wrong.
Just in order to isolate the problem, have you tried to aply an XTC-effect to a piece of recorded audio in Cubase?
And can you record your guitar without a problem with your curent setup?

AudioDan · Post by **AudioDan** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:37 pm

Petal is right, you must try it using pre-recorded material instead of live signal.
What version of Cubase SX are you using? and what version of SFP? Are you using your Creamware cards as your master ASIO driver or something else? If Creamware, what buffer setting are you using?
These are all things you need to consider when trying to use Creamware plugins live in XTC.
Unfortunately XTC isn't really designed for processing live input signals. SFP is perfect for that but - for those of use who don't need to have two independent audio environments running - also rather cumbersome to run along-side Cubase.
Platforms like TC Powercore and UAD-1 can use a combination of 'Native' processing along with the DSP to get the through-put latency down to close to that of the ASIO driver so that you can use things like guitar-amp simulators etc.
Because Creamware doesn't see any future to this type of processing (XTC style that is - the type that Digidesign, TC and Universal Audio have been making a killing on and that Waves, Focusrite, Metric Halo and EMU have all delved into recently....with no future) it doesn't look XTC will ever get any better in this regard. (Personally I'd have a heart attack at this point if Creamware were to even release an update to fix all the problems in SFP 4.0)
Anyway, let us know a few more things about your setup and I'm sure we'll sort it out, if you haven't already...

Cheers,

AudioDan

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petal · Post by **petal** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:15 am

I have it working here, so I guess its just a matter of time before we figure out ho to do this for the Rockmusician.

BB54 · Post by **BB54** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:06 am

After years of using SFP for tracking and XTC for mixing I found this thread:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... orum=32&19

It's about how to set up XTC projects that allows you to listen to real-time no latency in signals when tracking, and you can even have reverb or other Scope effects on.

With this solution, I don't go need to go through a major personal crisis

if I have started mixing in XTC and find that I need to record another track (due to the loss of all the XTC effects settings when saving the project after tracking in SFP mode).

Rockmusikeren · Post by **Rockmusikeren** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:09 pm

Hi again.. First i'm very greatful for all this help i'm getting here, couldn't manage without it, going from total analog systems to digital, realy takes alot of reading and trying..

I still haven't figured out how it's done with this realtime xtc mode, but I don't give up that easy, for now I'll use the SFP to set things up and as far as that goes it works perfect..
What I found out is that when using FXP, it's like like the old analog thing just without all the cables (that I like alot) and when i attache a reverb in serie with input and output in SFP it's there virtualy, thats not the case when using it as insert in Cubase SX (Using version 3.0) But theres a hidden SFP setup, that starts with Cubase...
I'm not sure if i'm making any sence, but I hope so, English is not my native language so it's a little hard for me to explain it.

petal · Post by **petal** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:36 pm

You've got a dane in here if English want suffice

Rockmusikeren · Post by **Rockmusikeren** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:03 am

Hehe!! Petal, I kind of figured that out when you so nicely translatet my nickname

Anyway, as this is an English forum, I gues it wouldn't be polite to write in Danish, would it? Nice to meet a fellow Dane

the19thbear · Post by **the19thbear** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:11 am

hi.. does anyone know how to get 3rd party effects working in xtc mode?
i tried to copy an existing vst fx.dll to my xtc-vst plugins folder, and then renaming it to match one of my fx in my sfp effexts folder, but when i open up cubase, and open the xtc effect, its just a normal vst effect, with a xtc name that pops up, for instance if i took a vst chorus and renamed it to a scope effect, it woould still be a vst effect just with a scope name..

thanks!

thanks!