I don't know anything about German, but I can guess what that means: "And for the English speaker"? Now I know a little German!!On 2005-07-13 01:52, samplaire wrote:
Und für die Englisch sprächer
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News from Creamware - Status of the Company and Scope
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Great news BUT I *really, really, really* hope CWA will be able to wait for the latest and fastest sharcs to be produced ... well it's up to Analog Devices to be not too late on planned production ( ahem ! ).
I know those cost more but maybe start slow with the top of line DSP than starting big on medium line ... not to mention the marketing value like in : " our new line boasts the most powerful audio DSP ever produced " for only some time of course ... not too mention that maybe their specific architecture allows for more development capabilities.
Personnally, I'd dump my Pulsar II without a second thought even without a rebate of any kind for the best of the best instead of the intermediate " integration " solution but I guess that many 3 cards owners would disagree strongly !
I vote for a box too, maybe a master box with ins and outs and " naked " SRB boxes, since a lot of routing can be done if possible many MIDI ins and outs ( on a whip if it takes too much space ) to replace this : http://www.philrees.co.uk/products/mergebox.htm or that : http://www.edirol.com/products/info/um550.html at a better cost.
Concerning the Minimax ASB : I'am quite surprised by the sound demos since I don't see how I could reproduce this with the Scope Minimax, if the algorythms were modified CWA should inform in the ads so that they could better attract new customers like in " Minimax in 2 flavors "
In the meantime you can wet your pants about new gear but don't hold your breath : certainly lots of months ahead ! at least the software is ready so that it won't transform into a Virus TI delays debacle ...
I know those cost more but maybe start slow with the top of line DSP than starting big on medium line ... not to mention the marketing value like in : " our new line boasts the most powerful audio DSP ever produced " for only some time of course ... not too mention that maybe their specific architecture allows for more development capabilities.
Personnally, I'd dump my Pulsar II without a second thought even without a rebate of any kind for the best of the best instead of the intermediate " integration " solution but I guess that many 3 cards owners would disagree strongly !
I vote for a box too, maybe a master box with ins and outs and " naked " SRB boxes, since a lot of routing can be done if possible many MIDI ins and outs ( on a whip if it takes too much space ) to replace this : http://www.philrees.co.uk/products/mergebox.htm or that : http://www.edirol.com/products/info/um550.html at a better cost.
Concerning the Minimax ASB : I'am quite surprised by the sound demos since I don't see how I could reproduce this with the Scope Minimax, if the algorythms were modified CWA should inform in the ads so that they could better attract new customers like in " Minimax in 2 flavors "
In the meantime you can wet your pants about new gear but don't hold your breath : certainly lots of months ahead ! at least the software is ready so that it won't transform into a Virus TI delays debacle ...
Well, if you want VST-integration, it'll *definitely* turn into a Virus TI debacle =P.
Also, processor companies usually don't have a "fastest ever" DSP architecture, they always work on a few generations at once, same with the CPU industry, there's always a new faster version just around the corner. So whenever Creamware would choose to switch to a new DSP architecture, it'd only be the "fastest ever" for at most a year.
I just wonder if people realize that a stand-alone box would be significantly pricier than a PCI/whatever card solution. They'd need to put a near-full computer in there, which would push up the costs quite a bit, hardware-wise and R&D wise. You can get the exact same thing right now by building a custom computer for your cards and another computer for your sequencer.
Also, processor companies usually don't have a "fastest ever" DSP architecture, they always work on a few generations at once, same with the CPU industry, there's always a new faster version just around the corner. So whenever Creamware would choose to switch to a new DSP architecture, it'd only be the "fastest ever" for at most a year.
I just wonder if people realize that a stand-alone box would be significantly pricier than a PCI/whatever card solution. They'd need to put a near-full computer in there, which would push up the costs quite a bit, hardware-wise and R&D wise. You can get the exact same thing right now by building a custom computer for your cards and another computer for your sequencer.
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I didn't ask for VST integration and with what you said I will not even think about it ! 
Concerning the chips, I just hope they will keep options open up to the last moment since those are chips of the same generation.
It would be have a more potent impact marketingwise.
Analog Devices progresses by bigger but slower steps so the fastest will remain for more time than CPU that regularly adds 100 MHz to be the new leader.
And it's not only about crude processing power : some differences in architectures and uses.
Concerning the price of boxes vs cards : if we're talking about the minimum setup of a box a little like a Clavia G2 engine with just the card screwed + power button + ins and outs ?
Versus a PCI Express card that will cost less but you'll have to change the damn motherboard ?
As a buyer I'd prefer to spend a little more on the hassle free box solution.
Sure though more money to invest by CWA for a box.
Concerning the chips, I just hope they will keep options open up to the last moment since those are chips of the same generation.
It would be have a more potent impact marketingwise.
Analog Devices progresses by bigger but slower steps so the fastest will remain for more time than CPU that regularly adds 100 MHz to be the new leader.
And it's not only about crude processing power : some differences in architectures and uses.
Concerning the price of boxes vs cards : if we're talking about the minimum setup of a box a little like a Clavia G2 engine with just the card screwed + power button + ins and outs ?
Versus a PCI Express card that will cost less but you'll have to change the damn motherboard ?
As a buyer I'd prefer to spend a little more on the hassle free box solution.
Sure though more money to invest by CWA for a box.
Yeah, Clavia G2 engine style might work. I don't know enough about their technology to know how much work it would be to have it all controlled thru USB/Firewire, and keep in mind the G2 engine is a modular synth, and not a full fledged mixing/synth/fx/routing engine, so the CW individual box would need a fair bit of memory, as I dont think running reverb delay lines thru USB or Firewire or anything else would be do-able, practical, or beneficial.
Of course, the best would be both PCI/stuff cards and independant boxes, but thinking back on the Noah, I'm not sure they'd want to try it again right away =P. If things go well financially, it might be do-able later down the road, but I doubt you'd have the same kind of flexibility than a PCI card in any case. They'd definitely have to do some sacrifices, which they did with the Noah, and it seemed to be a complete R&D pain anyway.
I find the ASB stuff to be a step in the good direction tho. They could do similar stuff for their FX algos, like a single box with a bunch of their FX in there, and mixers, so you could have a whole mixer stuck in a 1U unit or some such. Some sort of independant modular thing that could load Mod3/Flexor patches would of course be the best, but that might be pushing it a bit =P.
I'd definitely love to see some Solaris/BlackBox ASB box. I seem to remember the ASBs don't do dynamic DSP allocation, but they could just have all (or some of) the RD modules loaded at the same time and switch between them. I don't think I'd mind the higher DSP consumption/lower polyphony count too much if it gets me a portable computer-independant Solaris or BlackBox-type device.
Of course, the best would be both PCI/stuff cards and independant boxes, but thinking back on the Noah, I'm not sure they'd want to try it again right away =P. If things go well financially, it might be do-able later down the road, but I doubt you'd have the same kind of flexibility than a PCI card in any case. They'd definitely have to do some sacrifices, which they did with the Noah, and it seemed to be a complete R&D pain anyway.
I find the ASB stuff to be a step in the good direction tho. They could do similar stuff for their FX algos, like a single box with a bunch of their FX in there, and mixers, so you could have a whole mixer stuck in a 1U unit or some such. Some sort of independant modular thing that could load Mod3/Flexor patches would of course be the best, but that might be pushing it a bit =P.
I'd definitely love to see some Solaris/BlackBox ASB box. I seem to remember the ASBs don't do dynamic DSP allocation, but they could just have all (or some of) the RD modules loaded at the same time and switch between them. I don't think I'd mind the higher DSP consumption/lower polyphony count too much if it gets me a portable computer-independant Solaris or BlackBox-type device.
maybe, there is something to show in 2007...On 2005-07-14 20:33, Me$$iah wrote:
Well Im kinda glad to hear that theres no new hardware for a whileat leasst?!?
But then thats because I can hardly use the cards I got now.
Tho onboard RAM hmmmm....and faster DSP hmmmm..... maybe new boards would be great
Me$$iah
maybe, there is something to show in 2007...On 2005-07-14 20:33, Me$$iah wrote:
Well Im kinda glad to hear that theres no new hardware for a whileat leasst?!?
But then thats because I can hardly use the cards I got now.
Tho onboard RAM hmmmm....and faster DSP hmmmm..... maybe new boards would be great
Me$$iah
..but don´t expect the total flexibility of scope..
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I'd really be happy of a Firewire box, since it seems to be a much better "Standard". The USB "standards" seems to be "less specified" and offers various kinds of implementations (almost never a good one in real life). By doing this I hope that there won't be any chipset issues anymore that have been one of the mayor issues so far with Creamwares products. I think I'm on my 6th motherboard (ASUS K8N-E Dlx, and finally it works without Snap, Crackle and Pop)
With other stuff I would have switched manufacturer long time ago, but I really like the Creamware way, and the Minimax simply is the best synth I've ever used! I'd take a 24 voice/Multipart version of it over my Virus Indigo any day!
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With other stuff I would have switched manufacturer long time ago, but I really like the Creamware way, and the Minimax simply is the best synth I've ever used! I'd take a 24 voice/Multipart version of it over my Virus Indigo any day!
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so check out minimax asbOn 2005-07-15 01:30, oxygenial wrote:
I'd take a 24 voice/Multipart version of it over my Virus Indigo any day!
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