25 guitars in one!

Post by **garyb** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:04 pm

the axon is pretty good.
the line 6 is fantastic, but no true replacement for the real thing. one good guitar is probably better,unless you're a top 40 musician or hired gun who is asked to emulate a lot of other players....

arela · Post by **arela** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:16 pm

If guitars wasn't my tempt,
and i wanted to glamourize my song with
....a guitar sound,
and decide to buy myself a guitar,
a Varioax would be in content
......
but sry line6, i have some 6-strings around

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:11 pm

I accept that the hardware solution is the best option re guitar synth. But it looks to me that the pickup (other than the individual sensor/string) is simply registering the sound at some fraction of the full waveform.....eg 1/16 then extrapolating this. This would allow much lower latency than a full waveform and could be done with software. Not as efficient... but certainly cheaper.

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darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:17 am

A hex pickup simply carries 6 channels of audio to the converter box. A Roland box takes around 3 waveform cycles to detect pitch.. an Axon has some very intelligent algorithms which reduce this latency considerably.

Realtime software is pointless IMHO... it's never ever going to be latency free. A better and cheaper option is to record first, and convert to MIDI later - an offline process is simple, most sequencers have the ability to do it, and there are no latency concerns.

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:20 am

Thanks.......heaps....I'd best investigate this coz I haven't.....(believe it or not).

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:28 am

On 2005-04-25 11:03, emzee wrote:
Nestor...are you using this software...Guitar Synth....demo or full? I tried the demo but the latency is huge. If you use the full version, how's the latency?

No, I don't use it, just heard about it. I'm not surprised there is latency. I think people use it through direct monitoring and then apply the synth thing, and record it along with the guitar.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:31 am

On 2005-04-26 05:17, dArKr3zIn wrote:
A hex pickup simply carries 6 channels of audio to the converter box. A Roland box takes around 3 waveform cycles to detect pitch.. an Axon has some very intelligent algorithms which reduce this latency considerably.

Realtime software is pointless IMHO... it's never ever going to be latency free. A better and cheaper option is to record first, and convert to MIDI later - an offline process is simple, most sequencers have the ability to do it, and there are no latency concerns.

Could you PLEASE explain how doing it, please, please, please ???

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:16 am

Mmmmh...dA...checked through Acid...can't find the function. My version of Orion doesn't have audio but the new version does. I downloaded the demo and it has a function:

Export Song as Midi

I assume this is what you mean....forgive my dumb ass. I figure I can work around and delete tracks to export a track as midi. If you know any (cheap) software that can export a track as midi, feel free to share.......!!!!

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:25 am

Never done it, no idea! But to be able to transform your leads to MIDI can be truly interesting I think.

I just imagine the posibility to mix the real sound of the guitar with any kind of synth, what interesting timbers could you get there... very nice, isnt' it?

If anybody can give us a hand about it, that would be great, but perhaps in a paralel thread, as people will not find it here, cos the name has nothing to do wtih it. Cheers.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:57 am

Sorry, I use Logic.. most 'big' sequencers like Cubase/Sonar etc probably have this. ACID etc are pretty specialized products so they probably won't do it.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:59 am

Export Song as Midi

I assume this is what you mean....

Nope... that would just export any MIDI tracks you have in your song to a standard MIDI file.

Incidentally I forgot to mention that the method I described generally only works for monophonic audio. It's rare to find something that does polyphonic stuff. The Lateral Solutions guitar synth claims to do it, but quite frankly I find this quite dubious. I don't have time to try it though, so if it does it well, then all good.

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:19 am

emzee wrote:
25 guitars in one...........wowee!
Same shitty guitarist........damnit.......

I can make my guitar sound like an infinite number of different ones already, and that's just using the pickup selector and tone controls. Further tonal mods can easily be achieved through playing style (technique / plectrum choice / finger picking...)

Then there's the PSA-1...and all the Creamware/VST effects, and MOD III and...

No, I don't think I'll limit myself to the 25

I've only got one Line 1 product - the v.2 POD. It's OK and useable, but doesn't quite warrant the "OMG! I can't tell the difference between this and [insert fave head/cab combo here]" reviews I've seen. Besides, the PSA-1 is markedly superior IMO.

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