XTC or SFP for VST on DSP

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AudioDan
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Post by AudioDan »

Hi Everyone,

I've been reading through the forum over the last week or so as I'm having some troubles with my setup.
I have a Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon PC using an ASUS PCDL Motherboard, 1Gb RAM, a couple of Hard Drives.....boring! Let's get to the real stuff. To make my PC useful for something I have:
* 2 x LunaII
* 14 DSP Booster :grin:
* A16 Ultra :smile:
* EX-Board for one of the LunaII's
* Mix+Master Pack and Transient Designer :smile: (I love Transient Designer !!)
Thanks to Steinberg providing music store staff with extremely cheap software, I'm using either Nuendo 2 or Cubase SX 2/3....prefer Nuendo.

I, like many people, prefer the convenience of a host VST program. Especially when a great deal of my time is spent editing, being able to see waveforms on-screen makes my job much easier and quicker. I'd like to think that I would be able to use Nuendo as if it was a Protools TDM system, and when latency compensation came out in Cubase SX 2 I was almost there. The 14 DSP Booster was my most recent puchase, so that I wouldn't have to worry constantly about
how much DSP I had left.

Everything was great till a week or so ago when I was doing some serious mixing and using a lot of CW pluings in my session (I also love VINCO!!). I've got to a point now where I can't add any more CW plugins without getting this message:

"ScopeDriverIoctl (1908888) returned error code -99"
or with other combinations of "(1908xxx)"

I've sent an email to Creamware to see if they can help me, but haven't got a response yet....(their support hasn't been as good since the "Chapter 11" stuff went on....I image they're under a fair bit of pressure in other areas, and I do feel bad for them with what happened there...) :sad:

I have to say thankyou to 'GonZoft' for his amazing post that shed a lot of light on XTC and SFP for a lot of people. I had simply come to accept that minimum through latency in XTC was 45ms at 48kHz. Fine for mixing, but not so much when live sources are involved. GonZoft also introduced me to editing XTCProject.pro, which was something I had always wanted to do, but didn't know about. Thankyou GonZoft! :cool:

Thing is, I love the idea of having complete flexability in routing, mixing and FX. The SFP environment has always been a marvel for me. BUT! Without running a sequencer along side it to record and playback MIDI signals, HOW DO YOU AUTOMATE!?!?!?! :???: Guys...I'm open to suggestions....if there's something I'm missing, that allows me to easily automate the usual parameters that one would like to automate in a session....please! let me know. I'd love to be able to sit there using the Scope Environment in the same way I used the SSL G+ and Studer 24 Track I learnt on. If there is a simple MIDI Record/Playback module or device that would integrate with the SFP environment, I'll buy V-DAT next week.

So, for the convenience of on-screen waveform, editing, MIDI editing/sequencing, up to 10.2 channel mixing, I'd like to be able to use XTC. But for flexability, musicality and neat, stream-lined mixing I'd like to use SFP.
Either way presents a problem.

Any suggestions??

(These are my current thoughts on the matter....thanks for reading this far)

AudioDan


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AudioDan
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Post by AudioDan »

SX3 with SFP instead of using XTC

Something I forgot to mention in my previous ramblings....
I've read some other posts talking about using Cubase SX 3 along side SFP and using the new "External FX" routing in Cubase to access the SFP pluings.
I theory this would be great! Lower latency, still compensated, flexible routing of the SFP environment with the convenience of the host VST environment.

I could be mistaken (again, I'm always open to suggestions) but doesn't the ASIO format only allow for 32 I/O? Assuming that we're using ony a stereo I/O for our Master Stereo In and Out in Cubase, would that not leave us with only 30 Mono I/O with which to impliment FX bussing between SX3 and SFP.

If that is the case, when you count up how many FX you use in an average 24 track session....30 mono FX doesn't seem too substantial. (Is this something that can be rectified with an "ASIO 64" module? I had assumed ASIO 64 was something to do with 64 bit, but again....I don't know as much about SFP and the ASIO format as many of you guys out there, so correct me if I'm wrong).

Thanks for listening,

AudioDan
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Post by marcuspocus »

asio 64 allow for 64 asio channel

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AudioDan
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Post by AudioDan »

Thanks 'marcuspocus'. Yes, I checked that one out myself when I got a chance. I wish I'd worked that out two years ago....

Any ideas about that error in XTC?

Thanks

AudioDan
Mixing in DSP XTC
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