The day against war

Post by **garyb** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:33 pm

HUMAN nature DOES NOT create these situations unless you are speaking about how human nature can be manipulated and taken advantage of. why does the mother care for the baby, why does the father care for the mother and baby? why does the pet come into the protection of the owner? THIS is human NATURE.

unfortunately, human nature also is like a computer( a storage of memory with a calculator/processor) exposed to a self replicating code virus. the computer cannot be said to behave evily because of it's nature(the human has other functions than the number crunching model but the analogy works here), rather it would be a problem of bad programming(malicious code). once a virus has spread across a network, the network's functioning may change in any number of surprising ways....

where DID you get your ideas from?

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:08 am

Nothing to take so seriously here. Just opinions. There are atheists and theists in this world. I guess if I think human nature has evil in it as well as good, that would make me a theist, likely even a mono-theist.

I find comparisons of humans with computers possibly a bit misleading. In some ways, human nature behaves similarly to a computer. In the same way, we call computer storage 'memory' because in some ways it resembles human memories. But in other ways, computers behave by deterministic rules (even, believe it or not, m$ operating systems), and human behaviour does not always appear to (just an opinion). Yes, humans can be manipulated and taken advantage of, but they also bear a large part of responsibility for their own problems.

Where did I get my ideas from? Lots of different places. Did you want a list or was it just a rhetorical question?

Post by **garyb** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:59 am

you don't know exactly where.....

you might be able to pinpoint certain vectors...

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:16 am

The facts are, I cannot vote in America!

You Americans can! But the problem is that when you vote you thing your choosing between 2 sides. But the truth is (and fact) that you didn't have 2 sides to choose from this last election. There was only one side , Skull & Bones or Skull & Bones.

Think about it : out of say 150.000 people the come forward with only 2 candidates? And they are from the same secret society ?

Come on , and just think about it. I have nothing against the American People , only against this Skull&Bones Society that currently is running America.

And about the beginning with yourself part:
What i'm doing in this post is because of me opening my eyes! But the only thing I can do to help the world , is to tell the world!

History comes in full circles , just like you sinewave oscillator flips from negative to positive and back again

Go Cynthia McKinney Go ! She's my hero and should have your support! (oppinion)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ma ... grills.htm

See this little discussion between Cynthia and Rumsfeld for yourselve. See how they dodge so they won't have to awnser these very simple but important questions!!!!!

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spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:28 am

Fascist Italy
Third Reich
Stalinist Russia

You think these still exist?
Yeah, bad things, I agree. Too bad that US is becoming one to supplement this list.

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:37 am

I've look at video Casper, and it's incredible the impression that i have that Rumsfeld and his friends don't seem to give a shit at all about anything except their little ass.

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:47 am

But the problem is that when you vote you thing your choosing between 2 sides.

Yeah, 2-party system is horrible! Unluckily the country I live in is heading for this too... not officially, but it SEEMS so... that's sad

8-Bit · Post by **8-Bit** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:23 am

Human nature has a lot of imperfections.

Its also the mom who kills her child, not underdstanding why, and society views her as a psychopath. You ever see an animal kill thier kin?

Human nature is drunk men, throwing arms around, trying to establish ground (in a bar, a club, wherever).

Human nature is every man's subliminal thoughts about a hot woman on the street and "what he'd really like to do about it..."

Human nature is an uncontrolled hand upside the back of your head when you've been acting up. (kids gettin hit)

Human nature is uncontrollable sex drive, polygamy, and fighting for 'his woman'.

All these are examples of human nature that are shunned in todays society, but it still goes on. You cannot stop the natural urges in the population. As humans we've convinced ourselves that we are 'great', but its obvious that our fissad doesn't hold well.

In the end, we're all going to die. Get a kebab, dance to great music, find people to love you, and ride this one until the end comes. Resistance is not futile, but establishing the cooperation to do so IS.

ROCK!
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Casper · Post by **Casper** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:17 am

But don't beleve that it would make a difference in choosing Karry of Bush!

They stand for the same terror.
And i'm repeating myself , they are cousins!
These fact's you can't ignore twist or bend!

http:\www.fromthewilderness.com

Post by **hubird** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:41 am

my cousin was a serial murderer, me is usually very decent

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:39 am

And?? Did you both sign up for the Skull&Bones Club ??

Cause that's the difference realy!

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:44 am

where do i sign up for this club? if it makes me rich and powerfull or even president of USA im in.

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:11 am

On 2005-03-25 01:59, garyb wrote:
you don't know exactly where.....
you might be able to pinpoint certain vectors...

I take it you're referring to some SPECIFIC ideas then? I'm guessing the ones re 9/11, not human nature

Here's some places where I got these ideas :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
http://www.cbc.ca
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/
http://www.jpost.com/
http://southkoreanews.net/
http://www.sauditimes.com/

Only the top two do I read on a daily basis, the others, less so, but interesting at times nonetheless.

For instance, anthrax getting sent to democrats and media leaders was not reported as a news story as such (at least, I missed that story). And I fully admit, there may have been some other news item that I missed that would explain it. You have to read the news and remember it for days, weeks, months at a time. For instance, then you remember that the war was never remotely justified as 'bringing democracy to iraq'.

doodyrh · Post by **doodyrh** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:54 am

On 2005-03-25 08:17, Casper wrote:
And i'm repeating myself , they are cousins!

16th cousins, three times removed or ninth cousins, twice removed depending on whether you believe MSN or CBS.

Watch out Casper. At that rate you're probably related to them too.

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:11 pm

Well just keep

-ing , it's not my country that is going to get the blame very soon....

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ma ... orders.htm

Breaking news of people that are fighting!
I'm very interested in what is going to be released.

Post by **garyb** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:29 pm

[quote]
On 2005-03-25 10:11, Liquid Len wrote:
[quote]
I take it you're referring to some SPECIFIC ideas then? I'm guessing the ones re 9/11, not human nature

Here's some places where I got these ideas :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
http://www.cbc.ca
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/
http://www.jpost.com/
http://southkoreanews.net/
http://www.sauditimes.com/</BLOCKQUOTE> ... TR></TABLE>

vectors of viral infection......
where do those sources get their ideas?

i'm not suggesting you give those sourcs of info up....

and no, i was refering to more basic core beliefs, like whether human nature is evil, or what a terrorist or insurgent is. interestingly, like humpty dumpty, words rarely mean what they actually mean, more often they mean whatever i say they do...

ahhh alex jones....THERE's a fun guy!

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:21 pm

and no, i was refering to more basic core beliefs, like whether human nature is evil, or what a terrorist or insurgent is. interestingly, like humpty dumpty, words rarely mean what they actually mean, more often they mean whatever i say they do...

OK, I wasn't sure how to interpret, 'where do you get your ideas'. I misunderstood it to be somewhat derogatory, rather than an honest question. How do I answer such a broad question, hmm.

(BS MODE ON)
When/how do core beliefs start getting built? Start from the point of view of a newborn baby. In a sense, the only thing you can 'know' about your surroundings, is that you are presented with a world that arrives in at your five senses, and investigation will generally prove that it has a consistent nature. From this fact, you can eventually build up inferences like, say, the sky is the same recognizable color every time, objects will fall if dropped, these are inferred from how the world reacts to your senses. And from these inferences you can build up more complicated ones that help you understand the world around you. The reason I think that human nature isn't entirely deterministic is that these inferences are built up differently for every person. Just because one person realizes that because of A, therefore B, it doesn't mean everyone will realize this. You don't HAVE to make the inference, the way that when a electricity is passed through a wire, electrons HAVE to jump from atom to atom. Thinking isn't something that happens to you; you do it. And some knowledge isn't based on experience, I think. 'A=A' is obvious to anyone who understands it, and not based on experience, you don't think that 'A=A' just because you've never caught things behaving differently.

At the same time all this is going on, whatever culture you are growing up in is also adding its own inferences, which people generally incorporate into their understanding of the world. And often cultural values and beliefs are closely tied to the geography and economics of that culture. Of course, any source of information, like those news links, has to be seen in this light. Rather than reading them as some kind of right-or-wrong source of information, see them as useful information on how people think, and how world cultures interact. Of course there has to be some truth and false in there, there's a lot of grays, but some things have to be black and white. Is any one fact true? A 'no' answer would be self-contradictory.

Where do value judgements (good-evil) fit into this? Difficult to defend any values with 'logic' but possibly because they are axioms of the A=A sort. You 'just see' that it has to be so. More simple value judgements like 'be fair' would fall into this category. More complicated ones (terrorist vs freedom fighter) would require some inferences and extrapolation.

(BS MODE OFF)

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Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:55 am

You don't like Alex Jones?
Maybe listen to Mike Rupert then!

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:11 am

On 2005-03-24 14:26, stardust wrote:
@nestor and also reference to hubirds reply...

this kind of truth is something to regale your sole with.
The spiritual character is something very interesting if you have antennas for that.

But...
thes wise words do not reach the 'unclean' and...
what is more important...
they do not help in practical live.
Just because most people are not introverted hermits.

so...
I prefer more practical advice.
.there is nothing good if you dont do it.

I can't but say, read it again... and reflect

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:43 pm

You read too fast...

I mean that there is more in those words that what you suspected there is. I didn't aske you to literaly read them, not to even agree with anything I say

, I am not interested in changing people way of thinking, I have my own, and that is enough for me.