i have Profit 5 and had the demo of Pro-53 just to be fair. All i can say is Pro-53 is a pile of arse. Profit 5 is up there with MiniMax, i can safely say you won't be disappointed. Buy with confidence.
Mr A
Creamware no longer answering emails?
On the topic of taking the demos away because they can be cracked too easily- that's a very poor reason IMO.
Normal VSTi's are being cracked all the time, yet that doesn't keep companies from providing demo versions. In fact, they're far more vulnerable to piracy than Creamware because they don't require a hardware dsp card. CW-based developers like Zarg also have no problem providing demos. If the encryption algorithm is sloppy, by all means fix it- simply removing the problem is a lazy way to solve it. Besides, I doubt it was much of a problem to begin with: how many of the small number of Scope users have the knowledge to reverse-engineer a device?
The message Creamware is communicating is that they don't trust their small and obviously faithful customer base.
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As for the Profit-5, I wasn't trying to compare it to NI's offering... I had a Creamware synth in mind. I'm sure there's no comparison with the Pro-53 (though I *would* like to make this determination for myself).
I'm sure the Profit sounds great, as most all Scope synths do... but does it have the sound I lack? There's the real question.
Normal VSTi's are being cracked all the time, yet that doesn't keep companies from providing demo versions. In fact, they're far more vulnerable to piracy than Creamware because they don't require a hardware dsp card. CW-based developers like Zarg also have no problem providing demos. If the encryption algorithm is sloppy, by all means fix it- simply removing the problem is a lazy way to solve it. Besides, I doubt it was much of a problem to begin with: how many of the small number of Scope users have the knowledge to reverse-engineer a device?
The message Creamware is communicating is that they don't trust their small and obviously faithful customer base.
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)As for the Profit-5, I wasn't trying to compare it to NI's offering... I had a Creamware synth in mind. I'm sure there's no comparison with the Pro-53 (though I *would* like to make this determination for myself).
I'm sure the Profit sounds great, as most all Scope synths do... but does it have the sound I lack? There's the real question.
you didn't understand - it's not about cracking something at all. The 'protection' simply didn't work, as the check was only performed on DSP initialization. If you did avoid this (by loading a fixed project for example) the device in question didn't time out any more - of course only until the next project load or reboot etc.On 2005-01-29 10:20, doof wrote:
On the topic of taking the demos away because they can be cracked too easily- ...
You cannot apply the 'strong' protection on a temporary base, so CWA used the above 'fake' method which unfortunately revealed itself pretty easily: I usually leave my gear on over night and one day a demo from the previous night was still usable though it should have timed out...
cheers, Tom
Ah, so that's how it works. Thanks for clearing that up. Doesn't invalidate the point though- periodic audio dropout or white noise burst ala Zarg Music is just fine for demo purposes.On 2005-01-29 14:49, astroman wrote:
you didn't understand - it's not about cracking something at all. The 'protection' simply didn't work, as the check was only performed on DSP initialization.
Here's to hoping the people at Creamware aren't too busy answering emails to dream up a workable solution..
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totally agree with you about the demo situation Doof. It's a sad situation that CWA can't do something simple like a periodical audio dropout demo, like most other developers, both in CWA and VSTi land.
I'd suspect the amount of business lost trough lack of demo's is higher than the amount lost to possible cracks, but that's just speculation of course.
Let's not forget CWA is currently a very small company with very limited resources though.
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I'd suspect the amount of business lost trough lack of demo's is higher than the amount lost to possible cracks, but that's just speculation of course.
Let's not forget CWA is currently a very small company with very limited resources though.
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On 2005-01-27 10:36, doof wrote:
Has anyone emailed Creamware within the last month and actually gotten a response?
Hello doof,
be sure, that a lot of people got responses to all there requests !
cheers
ralf
You would think they'd jump on a sales-related inquiry, but nope. Should I interpret this as an ominous sign or email them again-- this time 'Auf Deutsch'?
Nevertheless mails to support@creamware.de bounce. I now have tried support@cwaudio.de and rb@creamware.de. Hope that those neither bounce nor are ignored...On 2005-02-14 10:30, Ralf wrote:
Hello doof,
be sure, that a lot of people got responses to all there requests !
cheers
ralf
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I had both, compared them side by side for two days, and sold the Pro-53 on the third dayOn 2005-01-28 18:34, Mr Arkadin wrote:
i have Profit 5 and had the demo of Pro-53 just to be fair. All i can say is Pro-53 is a pile of arse. Profit 5 is up there with MiniMax, i can safely say you won't be disappointed. Buy with confidence.
Mr A
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