No programmers @ Creamware anymore?

elektrolurch · Post by **elektrolurch** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:49 pm

I've the nightmare that Creamware has no programmers anymore. Do they only sell old boards with a brand new "egg" logo as SFP 4.0? All "new" plugins seem to be third party products.
Hope that's just a nightmare!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:41 pm

the nightmare is called outsourcing - a common instrument to reduce fix costs for balance sake.
Bank accountants like to see things like that, though it's generally not appreciated (by all other parties) in a very technologically oriented kind of biz. Kind of a 2-sided sword.

cheers, Tom

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:08 pm

asroman wrote:

Kind of a 2-sided sword.

i think the phrase you're looking for is "double-edged sword"

valis · Post by **valis** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:23 pm

I believe Frank had posted some time ago in one of the threads here that they were indeed going to focus more on 3rd party development efforts (something they were slagged for not giving as much support to in the past) than in-house projects, at least in regards to developing scope devices.

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:51 pm

As long as 3rdP's are like Adern, Bowen etc. I don't see a single reason to be worried.

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:06 am

On 2005-02-02 16:49, elektrolurch wrote:
Hope that's just a nightmare!

it is nightmare. do we need plugin every month?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:09 am

creamware is working hard(...) on new stuff. I could tell you what but they'd have to "dissapear" me

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:41 am

it might be great if cw can comeup with new cards for new generation motherboards

fidox · Post by **fidox** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:15 am

well, i'm not sure with new generation for new motherboards, there should be compatibility for back too,
but that's just my opinion

matej

enb141 · Post by **enb141** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:25 pm

On 2005-02-03 01:06, firubbi wrote:
On 2005-02-02 16:49, elektrolurch wrote:
Hope that's just a nightmare!
it is nightmare. do we need plugin every month?

Not new plugins but we need fixed drivers and support for new technologies like GSIF 2

cream · Post by **cream** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:21 pm

Have the same nightmare on a smaller scale.. Where are the updates for STS and the mixers.I'm dissapointed in creamware on this service. There is everything I need on this platform but why don't they finish the things what they started? (How dare selling the sts-5000 if it contains a huge bug!)If I where CW I would be eager to fix those things and try to make people more happy.You just don't sell broken things. I hope Creamware will soon take care of everything cause it's a marvelous platform.

Music Manic · Post by **Music Manic** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:12 pm

On 2005-02-03 08:09, legros wrote:
creamware is working hard(...) on new stuff. I could tell you what but they'd have to "dissapear" me

OK so tell us then disappear

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:38 pm

On 2005-02-03 18:21, cream wrote:
...(How dare selling the sts-5000 if it contains a huge bug!)...

a well known OS supplier sells a product in which bugs are measured in the 10k number range...

I honestly second your idea of product quality and support.
But with the same honesty I have to admit that it just doesn't work anymore THIS way in THIS kind of industry.
M$ and Apple generate huge amounts of cash flow - and with what kind of content ?
Do they ever fix a version ? No - they release a sequel...

Excuse a personal example to illustrate the effect (on the balance sheets) a fairly smooth running system (almost free from disturbing (let alone showstopping) bugs) CAN HAVE.

In the company I do most of my work for we use Apple Cubes under OS9 since 1999, that is 5 years. Do we intend to switch ? NO, not as long as the daily jobs get done.
My landlord has a G3 Powerbook from the same time (the Carry Bradshaw thingy) - doing all in design and internet he needs. It's a 400 MHZ (LOL) model with both OSX and OS9. Will he buy a new one ? NO.

sidenote: I recently booted such a G3 with an installed OSX from a G4 PB (no, it didn't complain ), it ran surprisingly well - not everyone needs to render in Maya...

All parties mentioned are totally satisfied customers , but haven't bought an Apple product since 5 years... go figure yourself.

Current trade habits just don't honor serious work and product maintainance. Too much has changed in the last decade and now the 'rules' or demands for cheaper goods at faster delivery dates are deep in people's minds. You cannot go back - you have to struggle with compromises (that's what CWA is doing imho) if you don't wanna follow the Apple path.
They need our support and we have to accept compromises as well - it's not such a bad product, is it ?
SFP is still THE core part in my (humble) setup.

Mind you once again on the Apple story - and most PC users have absolutely no idea what it means that a company like Apple artificially cuts the boot capabilities of their machines to prevent the scenario I described above.

I've mentioned it several times, but it's in no way specific to my personal preferences.

Apple gave the term 'boot block' a completely new meaning...

Meanwhile it's the 4th to 6th OSX version (dunno) with compatibility issues completely unknown to long term Mac users.
The result will be that people don't upgrade their machines any more, but aquire new ones with preinstalled matching OS versions instead - just as Apple intended.

sidenote: to re-install any pre OSX machine is NEVER longer than half an hour - if you have to PAY someone to do the same under OSX it's probably cheaper to buy a new machine with everything already in place.
[edit]
oops, I forgot to mention that this half hour includes the transfer of ALL installed applications as well, right out of the box, with no helper a la Norton Ghost needed...

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this post is in no way intended in any Apple OS discussion context - it's just to illustrate the process.
A strange process, as the majority of customers (obviously) accepts those (big) companies' attitude.
Even more strangely (at least part of) the same customers bash a small company like CWA who has remarkably held their position in favour of it's customers, even though it's economically close to a fight against windmills.

cheers, Tom

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Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:01 am

I'm still waiting for a functional version of iMovie. CreamWare's stuff is a lot more mature than that!!

Hey, I'm glad to know that CreamWare IS working on something. I almost don't care what. Merely knowing that they're not just sitting on their butts is enough for me.

Shayne

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:04 am

Yay Tom. OS9 for ever. Still loving my G4 500Mhz for music - works fine for last four years (how many PCs of that vintage are still useable i wonder?).

Mr A

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Post by **garyb** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:24 am

my 450mhz celeron that's on the internet right now.....

nice one, Tom.

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:19 am

450Mhz regular P-III for my 'net box'. Stays up for months at a time and it runs XP (tho i have the option to boot to freebsd).

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:25 am

how many PCs of that vintage are still useable i wonder

Mine

wsippel · Post by **wsippel** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 6:35 am

Pentium MMX 233 subnotebook, 96MB RAM - still works like a charm (Fujitsu Biblo B110)! It's used as a license manager these days...

wolf · Post by **wolf** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:53 am

I still host my scope rig in a p3 700MHz / Win98 .. enough for showing/using the scope surface

Beside that the screen redraws are as fast as on my p4 2GHz, where I host some more scope cards .. go figure.

cheers
Wolfgang