Vinco ratio working?

Rogurt · Post by **Rogurt** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:08 pm

I can´t hear any difference between the different ratio settings. With other comps I do hear these differences quite well.
I can´t measure any difference either.
Am I getting deaf?

To test it I keep the threshhold very low (as to say the gain high) and adjust the attack and release so that the whole thing is pumping...

[ This Message was edited by: Rogurt on 2005-01-29 13:08 ]

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:27 pm

On 2005-01-29 13:08, Rogurt wrote:
I can´t hear any difference between the different ratio settings. With other comps I do hear these differences quite well.
I can´t measure any difference either.
Am I getting deaf?

To test it I keep the threshhold very low (as to say the gain high) and adjust the attack and release so that the whole thing is pumping...

[ This Message was edited by: Rogurt on 2005-01-29 13:08 ]

Is it softcliping?

Rogurt · Post by **Rogurt** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:29 am

Softclipping is activated and I tried both adjusting the input gain as to softclip and another time not to clip.

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:07 pm

On 2005-01-30 06:29, Rogurt wrote:
Softclipping is activated and I tried both adjusting the input gain as to softclip and another time not to clip.

No, no.. Is the LED blinking? If it is you might not hear much difference as the signal is cliped, limited.

Rogurt · Post by **Rogurt** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:07 am

I had the signal amplified to saturate (the LED was blinking) and another time I lowered the input gain so that no LED was blinking (still the comp was pumping heaviliy)...
But still I couldn´t hear any difference with different ratios.

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:33 am

Using a variety of material run through the compressor? What Rogurt was implying was to set a longer attack and very fast release to actually hear it 'pump'. It also helps to leave it in peak mode (not RMS) to achieve this...

Rogurt · Post by **Rogurt** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:43 am

Don´t missunderstand me. I´m not trying to achieve some special pumping sound. I ask myself is this vinco thing working properly because there is no difference in the different ratio settings.
(I´m just having the comp pumping as to hear differences more clearly)

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:46 am

On 2005-01-31 06:43, Rogurt wrote:
Don´t missunderstand me. I´m not trying to achieve some special pumping sound. I ask myself is this vinco thing working properly because there is no difference in the different ratio settings.
(I´m just having the comp pumping as to hear differences more clearly)

I myself find it hard to hear any general difference with compressor ratio-setings.

Vinco is very smooth so it might not be that audiable, but it is doing it's buisness.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:45 pm

the compressor vinco is emulating was soft-knee. that's part of what makes it smooth. the original behaved very similarly, but the ratio does make a difference. the response of the optical sensor was slow and progressive, making it's effects not so obvious since the ratio increases with time. also, the optical sensor gets saturated(the fallback rate of the sensor is very slow) so that heavy use leads to progressivly heavier limiting. this makes a nice natural to spongy type of compression favored in broadcast(the original was mainly a broadcast device later used extensively in recording studios)

for hard limiting effects, a more modern design might be more appropriate.

Rogurt · Post by **Rogurt** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:53 pm

So you all have a hard time hearing the differences too? And in this case it would only be natural that I hear very distinct differences in the ratio setttings with the SFP internal comp but not with the vinco?

I just wanted to know if I am getting deaf or if the vinco Plug was corrupt.

So I got to try and listen mooooore closely

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:30 pm

I don't have a hard time hearing the differences although you have to be aware that if the sound coming out is 'louder' the innocent ear will usually regard that as 'better' so you must take care with matching levels pre & post comp.

Also my 'pumping' post above was to tell you how to be able to 'hear' the compression rather than instructing you on how to do NYC style compression on your mixes. Pumping is quite audible and will tell you the differences in the ratios, at least from where I am. Perhaps try different source through the compressor (something dynamic like raw vocal recordings or acoustic instrumentation).

Rogurt · Post by **Rogurt** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:40 am

>>the sound coming out is 'louder' the innocent ear will usually regard that as 'better' so you must take care with matching levels...

Yes I know. And I did pay attention to have set the levels accordingly every time and to use a dynamic signal (a snare slap). Still I can´t hear any difference in the different ratio settings. And usually I DO hear them very well (for over 10 years now). Which still doesn´t mean that I master the art of compression yet

Would it be possible that someone posts/sends me a short sample along with the same sample only run through the vinco at 2 different ratio settings (and maybe the screenshots to these settings). I could try to set it exactly that way and it would have to sound exactly the same way. And if I cant hear the difference I know I got to find another leisure activity...

Post by **garyb** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:07 am

try a different limiter...

Rogurt · Post by **Rogurt** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:05 am

As I mentioned above I have tried different comps.
What I am trying to find out is if the piece of software that I bought is "corrupt" or if it´s just it´s nature and the same behaviour with everyone else here...

[ This Message was edited by: Rogurt on 2005-02-01 07:07 ]

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:27 am

On 2005-02-01 07:05, Rogurt wrote:
As I mentioned above I have tried different comps.
What I am trying to find out is if the piece of software that I bought is "corrupt" or if it´s just it´s nature and the same behaviour with everyone else here...

[ This Message was edited by: Rogurt on 2005-02-01 07:07 ]

There is no reason why your Vinco should behave any different than everyone elses'.
Vinco is probably modelled after the Urei/U.A. 1176, and it is supposed to behave the way it does.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:02 am

Well i use Vinco mainly on vocals and bass - when i first played with the demo i was like, Well not sure it's doing that much. Bought it anyway, and after playing with it for some time now i'm a step nearer that polished/pro vocal sound. i can definitely hear a difference. Maybe try regenerating and re-downloading Vinco from My Page (yours obviously

) and re-installing it, including the dsp files, just for peace of mind, though i can't see that that would be the problem.

Can't say if it's any good for drums, i think Transient Designer is your bet there - when will they reduce the price of that thing?

Mr A

Rogurt · Post by **Rogurt** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:12 am

Thanx for your opinions: I´ll just give it another go...