mixer woas...

elliot · Post by **elliot** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:46 pm

hi guys
thanks alot for the help on my other thread im all sorted now (at last)
my next problem

comes in the shape of directing indavidual cubase tracks onto each relavant chanel in the stm mixer

at the moment i have all the audio going into 1 chanel of the stm and i would like split it all up to give me more control.

how do i go about this, ive tried increasing the asio chanels but i cant seem to figure it out

hope this makes sense to anyone, coz ive been staring at the pdf for the last 5 hours

thanks

elliot

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:51 pm

Simple dimple. Increase the ASIO out channels (double-click on the ASIO source box) to, say, 32 (if you want 16 stereo channels). Connect those outputs (left only if you want mono) to your mixer.

Now in Cubase open the Mixer window and select a Buss output for each channel (Buss 3 for Ch3 etc.) Pan any mono signals hard left for maximum output.

That hould do you.

Mr A

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elliot · Post by **elliot** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:48 pm

thanks for that.

ive done as youve said and connected the source to mixer (17 x l&r) but ive only got the option for 1 bus (bus 1) it doesnt give me any more to choose from

any thoughts?

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:33 pm

Well i don't which version of Cubase you have, but in my old 5.1 you have to pull out the edge of the Master section to reveal the busses and then activate them one by one, then they'll magically be available to you in the mixer section channels.

Mr A

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elliot · Post by **elliot** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:38 pm

im using sl but ive sussed it. you have to activate the vst outputs, which are in effect the busses

thanks for your help chap

elliot · Post by **elliot** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:42 am

well i thought i had but ive come across another issue, i can use the fader in the scope mixer but now i cant mixdown and i have no levels in the main cubase master fader?
damn, any ideas?

elliot

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:16 pm

Well, you're effectively bypassing any Cubase main mixer outputs (that's sort of the idea, nasty Cubase summing). As well as sending the SCOPE Mixer L&R Main Outs to your monitoring, are you also sending them to ASIO 1&2 In? If not, nothing will get back into Cubase. I only do this during the final stages anyway when i mix to stereo in Cubase to create a file for CD burning, otherwise i just do everything 'live', sometimes recording a synth or vocals into Cubase to mix them back in via SCOPE (if you see what i mean).

elliot · Post by **elliot** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:01 pm

hey, ta for the reply,
im using asio2 16bit source into the mixer and going out of the main mix L&R into asio2 dest 1L&1R this then feeds the monitoring setup
any ideas?

regards

elliot

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Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:06 pm

I would only go into the ASIO input when you're bouncing to stereo. Connect your monitoring to the Pulsar's Analogue outputs, then route the SCOPE Mixer straight to those analogue outputs for monitoring, otherwise you have to 'arm' Cubase's 1&2 inputs to hear anything (and you may get a nasty howl-round/feedback loop going if you do it that way).

Mr A

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elliot · Post by **elliot** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:25 pm

ok thanks, but still im confused on wheather this will help me to mix down my track from cubase.
my understanding (some what minimal) is that after the main mix of the stm i need to connect back into cubase, this being the asio dest. right? or have i got this totally wrong

thanks again, real a real star

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:06 pm

No, just use Cubase as an audio source into your SCOPE Mixer, plus any SCOPE Devices etc., mix 'em and send the output straight to your speakers. You only need to go into Cubase (on ASIO 1&2) when you are either tracking (external sources like vocals, or SCOPE Synths, whatever) or when you are doing your final stereo mix for CD burning.

Mr A

PS. Don't forget, there is no 'one way' of working in SCOPE. It's so flexible that you may find a way of working that suits you better. i'm just offering one solution as a way of working that works. Once you know what you're doing you may come up with a better way, but for now try it my way and see if you can at least hear something

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elliot · Post by **elliot** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:05 am

thanks (again!) mr, hearing the audio is not the problem its doing the final mixdown.
after ive routed the asio2 source into the mixer, given each track its own bus i can monitor each of these on the scope mixer.
now, when i connect the asio2 dest to the main mix l&r the master mixer in cubase is only recieving audio from bus 1, and so this is the only track that gets into the final mixdown

perhapes i can post a picture on hear of my routing window, is this possible?

thanks a lot chap

[ This Message was edited by: elliot on 2005-01-27 08:06 ]

Post by **hubird** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:18 am

if that's true, you may want to check the Bus page of the mixer.
Maybe you've changed the routing of the busses in a way that only bus 1 is warped to the mixer's mastermix out.
Listen, make sure you actually hear the mastermixer L/R (connect to analog destination--->monitors).
If you connect that same stereo out to the ASIO dest module, and record from that output into a Cubase track, you should record what you hear!
Check your routings, I guess you're doing something wrong in Cubase.

elliot · Post by **elliot** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:49 am

hey there

ta for the reply

hers my routing window and cubase bus page (vst outputs) see if you see anything out of shapes

regards

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:24 am

i generally avoid using Buss1 - i think it might be hard patched to master out or something - can't remember off-hand, but i know i never use it now.

Also, when tracking, i generally put Analogue Source straight into ASIO Dest (unless you want some specific mixer processing).

Try your mix without Buss 1 and see what happens.

Mr A

[ This Message was edited by: Mr Arkadin on 2005-01-27 09:26 ]

elliot · Post by **elliot** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:42 am

ta, ill give it a go. if i put the Analogue Source straight into ASIO Dest will i not be able to apply anything to the master mix like an exciter or something?

regards

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:47 am

i create a separate project for adding Optimaster/PsyQ etc. Get your mix as good as possible first, record it to stereo in Cubase.

i then load my mastering project of just ASIO Source>OptiMaster>PsyQ>Asio Dest/Analogue Dest (for monitoring) and apply the effects to the stereo mix, re-recording back into Cubase. This way you're not overtaxing the system to try and do everything 'live', plus if you later think you over-excited your mix (which can happen) you can go back to your unadulterated stereo mix and re-master it.

Mr A

PS. Yes, of course, you can always stick OptiMaster or whatever before the Analogue Dest/ASIO Dest - eveything is possible in SCOPE.

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Post by **hubird** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:57 am

not using a mixer you will have to chain it as separate modules in your project window, and generally that's not the way to go.
They invited a mixer for that

Your project window should work, definitely

(BTW, I had to dl the pics to disk).
As I expected, the solution must be found in your Cubase (I use VST5.0).
Why are you inputting all those Scope busses in Cubase?
Just record from the mixer's main mix out.

edit: Arkadin's strategy is ok, concerning mastering processes

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elliot · Post by **elliot** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:28 am

this is really doing my head in. i really cant figure this out, if what you guys are saying it must be in cubase.but where? i really cant see why this aint working.
if ive asigned bus`s to channels 1-16, then surely these need to all get routed back to the main master mixer in cubase but without the option of doing this hows it possible?

arghhh!!

elliot · Post by **elliot** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:33 am

Why are you inputting all those Scope busses in Cubase?
Just record from the mixer's main mix out.

im trying to monitor each track seperatly in the scope mixer