Last Tango

Post by **hubird** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:06 pm

This file has expired and is no longer available here. The owner of the topic can re-upload the file, or post a link to an off-site file. <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: Lounge <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: Pulsar Effects,Pulsar Mixers,Pulsar Synths copyright © begga _____________________________________ edit 05-01-18: shorter arrangement, lotsa edits.
edit 05-01-12: new version, with trumpet samples.
edit 05-01-24: better arrangement, edits in the bass synth, easier flow along the mix.
edit 05-01-29: now I'm getting somewhere I think

edit 16-02-05: lots of edits

edit 26-02-05: this one should do it, dunno anymore what it should be tho

edit 14-03-05: ok, and I mean it, now it's ready

I added an ambient Absynth thingie with the same preset as the main Absynth, replaced the Masterverb Pro by my hardware Lexicon MPX1, did some drum edits, and added a reversed trumpet riff that starts up itself.
and 1000 other details

thanks everybody for the great tips and comments, very usefull!

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next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:34 pm

maybe u should check out http://www.nilspettermolvaer.com/ regarding inspiration for adding trumpet

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:50 pm

This is very good so far. Great krusty beatz.

Post by **hubird** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 4:58 pm

The full beat is doubled, one being uppitched

(with low cut etc. of course).

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:25 pm

I like what you have done so far. Really interesting sounds and wonderful drum pattern.

The only thing I can think of if you want more "drive' is to play with the bass in the mix. The bassline sounds great the way it is - but I guess you could make it more prominent - it would also work at the 4:21 mark where the drums drop out - a slight modification on the accents, longer held notes, a touch of thin distortion or a standard filter sweep leading back into the reintroduction of the drums?

I hear lots of things you *could* do - but it really depends on what you have in your own mind. Did you want more dynamic changes or just flow? - because it works just great the way it is - it flows and is quite hypnotic.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat Jan 01, 2005 8:01 pm

It would be great to have arabic singing on top.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:49 pm

thank you guys

I tried arabic stuff already, Braincell, so far I wasn't lucky to find the perfect fit

Blgrace, maybe you're right and I should leave it as it is, good to know you think it's about ok now

The bass should get a treatment indeed, at least in that break

Oh man, the (Solaris!) bass can go very pronounced if needed, but then it's another element that asks attention

Piddy, thanks for the link, very interesting stuff

I will upload about the same mix one of these days, now with some horn stuff and little addons, let's see where it leads to.
I just have the feeling the song could benefit from some 'identity', some specific 'character'.

cheers, and thanks again

Liquid EDGE · Post by **Liquid EDGE** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:32 am

yes. very tasty indeed.
Sounds finished to my ears.
bar this one thing.. the drums at the bigining , i don't now if it's a loop or not but at the end of the fourth bar it sounds sort of loose/out of time, but once the metal snare joins in it's unoticable..(big intake of breath due to long scentence)

When you speak of identity or specific character. i feel it's due to a lack of a hook..

any hows.. briliant.

Post by **Neil B** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:08 am

Hey Huub,
It's time for me to catch up on downloading some music and listening/responding to tracks and you're first on the list!
All the elements of this fit together so well.
A bit different for you but it still as that "Huub signature".
Cool, laid back at times but with a bit of attitude.
Sounds really good on my rig (which I now trust!)

Great track

Post by **hubird** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:10 am

thanks guys, I will soon upload something with that 'character', be it good or bad ...

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:27 am

I like it, nice atmospheric sound. It is very much "background music" which is an awful way to say it but what I mean is that although there are a lot of cool sounds going on, none of them is really asking for attention, none of them come to the foreground because they are all so heavily effected with reverb, delays and whatnot, so the groove is a bit lost. The drums sound great, but I'd loosen up on the highpass filtering because there is no bass left in the drumpart and I can hardly hear the subbass either. I think what this track needs for "drive" is really punchy and deep drums working together with a strong bassline to dictate the groove, although that would sort of take the track out of the "lounge" area and more into triphop I guess.

Post by **hubird** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:37 am

you're right, very good, I worked hard at bass and reverb part, it's going better already

soon...

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:32 pm

Wow, just listened to that at home I think you've got an amazing base to build a track on.

Can't wait to hear the finished product...

Royston

nitty gritty · Post by **nitty gritty** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:50 pm

I think the tracking is finished- what a wicked skankin groove!!!

But ang on man! Where me baaasss???

Bring it on like it deserves...

Nuff word!

nitty gritty · Post by **nitty gritty** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:52 pm

I'm pretty sure you've got Adrian Sherwood lurking in there somewhere.

Post by **hubird** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:20 pm

too much honor

guys, it's getting ok I think, the sound is more clear now, the trumpets are the wanted character (or 'voice'), and the bass...listen to it later, CP you'll be satisfied!
As I think I'm ready for all the finishing details, I'd like to finish it first before uploading.
But knowing myself and my agenda, it will take some time, so I'll put the next almost ready mix on, for the record I will upload later the end mix.
cheers

Post by **hubird** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:12 am

I uploaded the near-to-end-mix, with trumpets, scratches and fx.
It needs some drum-edits, filtering, etc.

At the end I added the last upload, I took just the first half of the song, to keep it short as possible:-)
Samples and scratches by dj Gerwin

Hope you like it

edit: moment...
doesn't seem to work now, CU tomorrow

still no success, uploading doesn't exchange the old song.
Strange, I know how it works.
Hm, I sent John a pm, see what he says

SOLVED, thanks to John who did some test, which made me realize that a total time of 9 minutes is beyond the limit...dumbo me...thanks John!

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Post by **hubird** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:04 am

New version uploaded

Main differences:
- trumpet samples and scratch elements
from that vivyl disk (made by dj Gerwin)
- bass louder, drums more to the back
- little Rhodes elements as fills
- PsyQ applied

thanks alot everybody, your comments where very usefull, some of your tips I will use when finishing this track (bass sound in break f.i.).
Hope you think the trumpet does fit in the otherwise electronic approach

thanks again, cheers

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:55 am

Loved it. I want to hear more rhythmic variation in the bass though.

Post by **hubird** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:10 pm

you're right, the first thing I'll concentrate on

I hate it to go back to the midi phase, specially if more than one bounce took place...
edit: I upload the same mix with a better mastering balance

(that's why I don't like to put a mix on planetz when it's not (considered as) ready

)

edit 05-01-18: shorter arrangement, lotsa edits

edit 05-01-24: edits (actually mutes) in the bass, better arrangement, better flow (I hope), lotsa details improvements.
edit:05-01-29 I'm getting somewhere

edit 05-02-10: subtle drumedits (filtering, reverse), less mid freqs, stuff like that.
edit: 05-02-16: lost of edits

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